Thread: WHM Stoneskin vs SCH Galvanize 3.0

"- Stoneskin
Damage absorb from 18% HP to 10% HP
- Quick Stoneskin
Replaces Graniteskin
Lowers Stoneskin cast time to 2.5s
- Stoneskin II
Damage absorb from 18% HP to 10% HP"


Found this on reddit...now, yes it has been nerfed, meaning a 10k health tank will only have 1000hp SS instead of a 1800hp ss , it's still nice, and with the faster recast time it can be put on more often, but the MP cost seems to be the same, meaning WHM's would have to dip into their mana pool quite a bit if they like spamming SS.

As we know with SCH's, if their aldoquiom critical heal "When critical HP is restored, damage nullification is doubled." meaning, right now at the end of ARR , my SCH was doing between 3200 - 3800 critical Aldoqiums, meaning a 6400 - 7600 HP Shield. This is HUGE in comparison.

However what do you guys think? was the SS nerf really needed? and with these changes, are players going to want stoneskin still?

I don't think a galvanize comparison is fair. That's scholars thing.

But what IS fair I think is stoneskin vs...stoneskin. Since I can use that on sch. And so can ast. But the big stoneskins were whms thing. And now they don't have that for what seems like no real reason.

When you factor in that SCH can use Galvanize *and* stoneskin vs WHM's lone crappy stoneskin... :|

Originally Posted by MysteryNotes

When you factor in that SCH can use Galvanize *and* stoneskin vs WHM's Raw Heals/HoTs *and* stoneskin

fixed that for you.

Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

fixed that for you.

If you want to put that in, don't forget to mention the fairy that heals regardless of cleric stance that has AOE esuna now too.

SCH complained that their protect was inferior to WHM...
SCH complained that their stoneskin was inferior to WHM...

What do we WHM get? We lose exclusivities and get nerfed... SCH get rewarded...

Originally Posted by tjw

Nothing compares to Cure III for absolute raw AoE healing. Aspected Helios is similar to Medica II, and Indomitability is similar to Divine Sealed Medica. There is no equivalent spell in SCH's or AST's repertoire that can overtake Cure III.

Yeah but when is there ever an opportunity to use Cure III in a duty finder? Cast it and you're bound to only hit one person since everyone's usually dodging AoE in all different directions. The only times I've ever found purpose for it were after moves like Tidal Wave, Hellfire, etc. and even then other healers' spells are good enough to make up for the damage.

Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

Yeah but when is there ever an opportunity to use Cure III in a duty finder? Cast it and you're bound to only hit one person since everyone's usually dodging AoE in all different directions. The only times I've ever found purpose for it were after moves like Tidal Wave, Hellfire, etc. and even then other healers' spells are good enough to make up for the damage.

"Why use AoE heal when people are dodging an AoE?"

Typically, if people dodge an AoE, I don't need to heal them at all; if you're healing people at full HP, that's your problem.

You also don't balance mainly for DF. You balance for the high-tier raids; Cure III is almost a god-send in T13 and T12 add phase.

Sure, you're right; other AoE spells are sufficient enough to negate damage. Namely Medica II. But if I'm forced to use Medica II AND a Medica, or two Medicas, just to top people off, I would rather use a Cure III and be one and done.

And all your 'logic' doesn't argue one thing about what I said before; Cure III is STILL the strongest raw AoE heal there is.

wait till everyone hears about pld's aoe stoneskin that is spammable for 30 seconds. (how long the buff works)