How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[LoraKenkech]

Is it even matter if I use gk not like this

HT - ID - [BOTD] - DI - CT - 4TH - PH - TT - VP - FT - [GK] - 4TH
--- DO NOT USE GEIRSKOGUL HERE
HT - ||| ID - DI - CT - 4TH - PH ||| - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]

But smth like this? I am currently doing that due to fact I cant doublebuff inbetween gcd and I have one of my jumps between FT - 4TH. I dont think this usage of GK is any worst but still please advise

HT - ID - [BOTD] - DI - CT - 4TH - PH - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]
--- DO NOT USE GEIRSKOGUL HERE
HT - ||| ID - DI - CT - 4TH - PH ||| - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]

[Lucael_Shikaree]

HT - ID - [BOTD] - DI - CT - 4TH - PH - TT - VP - FT - [GK] - 4TH

--- DO NOT USE GEIRSKOGUL HERE
HT - ||| ID - DI - CT - 4TH - PH ||| - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]

Probably I'm missing something here. Did you usually manage to get a GK after the second and third combo without losing BotD? Because in my experience this was nearly impossibile, as a rule I always used the second GK after FT of 4th segment (combo).

[Lucael_Shikaree]

Just out of curiosity, I have a question about Alexander Savage 1.

Scenario: after the first add and laser phase, just before the first Oppressors' jump.
My Blood for Blood is ready again before the jump and enough to be used for all his duration. After the first jump my BL is ready again. I know that as a general rule is not suggested to hold CD use until mechanics requires to do this. Using Blood for Blood and BL will grant me more DPS in the long run than using Blood for Blood immediately before the first boss jump? Even more so if I use Blood for Blood before the first jump I think it comes back in an awkward moment, when I'm putting adds under the laser, so the use is going to be delayed anyway. So what do you guys do/suggest?

[Dervy]

Probably I'm missing something here. Did you usually manage to get a GK after the second and third combo without losing BotD? Because in my experience this was nearly impossibile, as a rule I always used the second GK after FT of 4th segment (combo).

Think about it this way. Each line has two combos.

Each "Combo" is one of your 4-stage combos. So Combo 1 = your first IDC4. Combo 2 your first TTT4. Combo 3 = your second IDC4. Combo 4 = your second TTT4.

So what you just quoted, is 4 combos in total. You're skipping combo 3. You can use your first GK whenever, where ever, you like on the first line. So to answer your question, no, it will not fall off, as you're stacking up a lot more BotD time by skipping GK on the 3rd combo (second IDC4), granting you an additional 3s breathing room.

Is it even matter if I use gk not like this

HT - ID - [BOTD] - DI - CT - 4TH - PH - TT - VP - FT - [GK] - 4TH
--- DO NOT USE GEIRSKOGUL HERE
HT - ||| ID - DI - CT - 4TH - PH ||| - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]

But smth like this? I am currently doing that due to fact I cant doublebuff inbetween gcd and I have one of my jumps between FT - 4TH. I dont think this usage of GK is any worst but still please advise

HT - ID - [BOTD] - DI - CT - 4TH - PH - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]
--- DO NOT USE GEIRSKOGUL HERE
HT - ||| ID - DI - CT - 4TH - PH ||| - TT - VP - FT - 4TH - [GK]

Yes, as your GK isn't going to be buffed by any of your buffs in your opener.

[Lucael_Shikaree]

Think about it this way. Each line has two combos.
So what you just quoted, is 4 combos in total. You're skipping combo 3. You can use your first GK whenever, where ever, you like on the first line. So to answer your question, no, it will not fall off, as you're stacking up a lot more BotD time by skipping GK on the 3rd combo (second IDC4), granting you an additional 3s breathing room.

I'm explaining myself badly, what I meant is this: since the advanced opener always had a GK before 4th in the second combo, doing a GK in the third combo was impossible (at least in my experience) from the beginning and using it in the 4 combo was the only choice (GK use is always something like B-B-A/B-B-A/B and so on...). So, I'm assuming you pointed out to not use the GK in the third combo for people that were using GK sooner than the GK-4th in the second combo?

[Dervy]

Oooh, then ye you're right. However, skipping a combo also needs to become a habit when you learn how to do x2 GK BFB's, which is next on the list.

[Estelle9lives]

Just out of curiosity, I have a question about Alexander Savage 1...

As a rule of thumb, I make sure all B4B's get full uptime on Oppressor (so you don't waste buff uptime by running around), which means I have to hold back at times. First BL is used normally. Second BL I hold and use it right after the first jump when the party is getting back to position so that everyone gets the buff.

[HaelseMikiro]

Just out of curiosity, I have a question about Alexander Savage 1...

I like to use B4B as soon as it's ready before the first jump. Yes, the jump happens with 2-4 seconds left on the buff, but when the landing happens, the cooldown is half over, well worth losing ~15% of the buff on 1 use. It does come back again at an odd time while placing the add , just like you said, and that might waste another 10 seconds of usage, but using it again right as you get back on the boss will have it ready for use again and lined up with IR as soon as the 2nd landing happens. You should be able to get the buffs fully used on the boss or with 1-2 seconds left to pick up your Alarum with B4B still on

[Vincent_Mateus]

On AS1 blow BFB pre jump, save litany for the landing. As Haelse said it will be back up again, and generally right after your add is dealt with so it doesn't get wasted

[Dervy]

Guys guys I've added a Media Section to the last post, where I'll include all of the guides Myself, Thendiel, and others make, along with putting up good parsing examples and Dragoon PoV Savage/Extreme clears, etc. I'll be on the look out for good quality videos from people to fill it up.

I've also started work on my "Advanced Dragoon Video Guide", so hopefully I can finish that by the end of the week and finish up the OP.