How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Grieve]

Hirose gave the number crunching above, but the logic is to just keep doing the rotation, Disembowel doesn't stack, but Chaos Thrust does, that's 250 potency from the rear, not counting the DoT potency.

I'd say it's a loss if you don't do the Chaos Thrust combo even when you have 2-3-4 DRG in the party.

But yesssss, don't use battle litany while the buff is still up, lol.

Okay, I maybe I didn't explain it well, but I was thinking that if you have 2 dragoons you might be able to get away with deviating from the current rotation and go to a "HT -> IDC4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> IDC4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> repeat" or the old combo with the added fourth attacks. The idea would be that one DRG would start with the IDC4 combo and the other would start with a TTT4 combo and move into the IDC4. The idea would be to allow less overlap on Disembowel while letting your own Chaos Thrust tick the whole way through.

[whiskeybravo]

Okay, I maybe I didn't explain it well, but I was thinking that if you have 2 dragoons you might be able to get away with deviating from the current rotation and go to a "HT -> IDC4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> IDC4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> repeat" or the old combo with the added fourth attacks. The idea would be that one DRG would start with the IDC4 combo and the other would start with a TTT4 combo and move into the IDC4. The idea would be to allow less overlap on Disembowel while letting your own Chaos Thrust tick the whole way through.

I don't think that's going to work out favorably because CT is still that much stronger than FT

Simply put.. 600, 360, 360 vs 530, 360, 530

Not even including ID,Dis being stronger than TT,VT

Edit: more accurately, I think, would be 600,360,360 (x2) and 530,360 (x3), plus 50 potency (x2, one lines up) for ID/Dis difference

2640 vs 2770

If my math is in the ballpark at least.. Which is around 5% as Sunny said..

Edit 2: Because I'm bored at the moment.. Did I do something wrong?



Barely 1% difference

[Jin_Asanagi]

Quick question !

I'm aiming towards Dervy's recommended 625-642 Accuracy build for progression sake and have been relinquishing slaying drops to my groups monk. However, I grew rather concern about my rotation for having less than 590 skillspeed. So my question is, how big of a deal is it to be under the recommended skillspeed ?

An answer would be much appreciated, and sorry if this has been answered before !
Thanks in advance !

[CBellz]

rough numbers for eso wep - 1315 dps 17% crit at i184 (had to switch mains recently ;_; ) over 3:20 with black truffle/xpot/party

first parse i did so i have no idea if it's cherry picked or not haha

[Dervy]

Quick question !

I'm aiming towards Dervy's recommended 625-642 Accuracy build for progression sake and have been relinquishing slaying drops to my groups monk. However, I grew rather concern about my rotation for having less than 590 skillspeed. So my question is, how big of a deal is it to be under the recommended skillspeed ?

An answer would be much appreciated, and sorry if this has been answered before !
Thanks in advance !

There were 2 sets posted.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R6NH

I'm slowly going through the OP now anyway sorting things out, changing format and adding new info

[Woots]

What is a "4th tier combo?"

[spelley]

What is a "4th tier combo?"

With Blood the Dragon active, once you acquire Fang and Claw, you will "proc" Sharper Fang and Claw after completing one of the following combos:
- True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)
- Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)

...which allows you to use Fang and Claw, a new GCD. When you get Wheeling Thrust, you have a chance to proc Enhanced Wheeling Thrust instead of Sharper Fang and Claw, enabling use of Wheeling Thrust instead. Because they proc after a "3rd tier combo" (a combo comprised of 3 moves), the new procs allow for a "4th tier combo."

[Woots]

With Blood the Dragon active, once you acquire Fang and Claw, you will "proc" Sharper Fang and Claw after completing one of the following combos:
- True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)
- Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)

...which allows you to use Fang and Claw, a new GCD. When you get Wheeling Thrust, you have a chance to proc Enhanced Wheeling Thrust instead of Sharper Fang and Claw, enabling use of Wheeling Thrust instead. Because they proc after a "3rd tier combo" (a combo comprised of 3 moves), the new procs allow for a "4th tier combo."

Ah I see. Thank you.

[T2teddy]

What is a "4th tier combo?"

Surprised you don''t know considering your DRG is 51 and presumably you're using the new HW rotation, albeit must be a combo of new/old until you get your new skills?

[SunnyHirose]

Surprised you don''t know considering your DRG is 51 and presumably you're using the new HW rotation, albeit must be a combo of new/old until you get your new skills?

You don't get any fourth combo hit until level 56.

I would posit that the question will continue to arise because the terminology "4th tier combo" is wildly off-target.