How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[enil]

Played around with the sample rotation and tried to get it as close as possible to the current optimal rotation.

Ending up with 16 CT/FT, 16 4th, 10 GK in the default sim.duration=210 parse. (could probably get better GK usage (buff optimisations etc.)
End up with an AVG dps of 990.74~
stat weights of
WD 1.0
STR 0.1352
CHR 0.0182
DET 0.0168
SKS 0.0069


I've noticed a couple of things after running a diag though.
All off-gcd buffs seem to be delaying all GCDs regardless double or single (double can delay next gcd to 3.0s+. single gcd seem to put your next gcd at about 2.8) As a result our average GCD becomes 2.532~ which is a major hit. (http://pastebin.com/z8iLHMmk)
Phleb still has it's old duration of 18 seconds instead of 24. (which was screwing with the rotation logic - ended up removing the conditionals for pheb/HT and putting them into the IDC/thrust combos).

[pandabearcat]

Yea the sim uses very unforgiving timings - I set GCD skill delay to 1 second and I believe oGCD delays are also 1 second, so any attempt to fit 2 (esp during opener) is going to leave a lot of delays.

If we have more data on how the delays actually function (esp jump delays - those were set to be very long iirc, from 2.5 days) then we can make the sim more accurate.

I will try to release a quick release w/o any revamp (since that introduced some bugs) that just has the jump fix so that you guys can do more accurate tests (iirc jump fix results in ~20-25 dps increase).

However you won't be able to "on the fly" tweak skill delays until I finish the skill system revamp which will likely take till next week.

I am glad you guys have played around with the sim and are writing better rotations.

I'm glad you guys found the reason behind the sks thing - if it was not clipping dots initially then getting to the point where it no longer needs to will end up being a huge breakpoint.

I was tempted to create another experimental setting "Incremental Stat" where it increments a stat from X to Y and gives you dps rankings every 5 stat or so. Should be easy to see jumps with that.

But the main plan is so that other people can write that logic for me - the UI should be simple to write your own code for once I get the documentation finished.

[enil]

If we have more data on how the delays actually function (esp jump delays - those were set to be very long iirc, from 2.5 days) then we can make the sim more accurate.

Problem is delays are very ping/latency dependant, someone who averages 150-200ms (me) will experience something significantly different from someone running 50-100ms.

Best to get someone with as low as ping as possible to get the base ability wind up/wind down and possibly implement some kind of latency variable (is this something we care about? - or we are just after pure theory).

[Dervy]

I guess we could base all of our work on Theory, then people with high latency can add a "latency variable" to panda's Sim and get measurements that way.

As long as the fundamentals of the Sim are concrete, players can just set their own variables for their own personal situation to get more personal weighting and adjust their own rotations accordingly.

[rweezy]

Couple of questions.

How do you fit in 2 ogcd between 1 global? I cannot do it without a delay for my next global. Is there ANY way I can make it work somehow?

If I just do the ogcd 1 by 1 is it a lot of DPS loss compared to being able to fit in two?

What does the rotation look like if I just do 1 ogcd at a time?

If BoTD and IDC are about to run out at the same time and you just finished your FT or CT with 3-4 seconds left on BOTD/IDC, is it better to 4th and then IDC? or just IDC and wait until BoTD cd to come back up?

Thank you.

[Dervy]

Yes. I did the math earlier on in the thread somewhere and I really should put it on the OP.

It showed PPS hit of losing BOTD vs PH vs HT. BOTD came up being around a 10 PPS hit over HT and PH combined.

I'll try find it, but it's around page 20

EDIT: Can't find the math, but here's me speaking about it before

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3085080

[whiskeybravo]

How do you fit in 2 ogcd between 1 global? I cannot do it without a delay for my next global. Is there ANY way I can make it work somehow?

You can't do it with every oGCD, power surge, internal release and botd? have quick animations that usually allow you to execute a second oGCD in between. It varies depending on your latency a bit too.

I can't really answer the other questions..

[Ukitsu]

I'm still thinking about it but pretty much those who play with high latency are kinda screwed cuz we need to use 2 oGCD in 2 situations at pull or we will miss some stuff:

HT (BL + B4B)
ID (IR+BOTD)
DI (DRAC POT)
CT (PS + LEG)
4TH (JUMP)
P (SSD)
TT (DFD)
VT (LS+GK)
FT
4Th

BL can be used at pull, so B4B can go alone and we are still okay (very little dps loss). Now its when problem occurs: IR+BOTD can't go one at the time without messing our rotation, unless you don't use drac pot (this way you could use IR alone on ID and BOTD on drac pot). Legsweep could just go to the second 4th (after TTT combo) and you could use the first GK after FT. Pretty sure we would lose very little dps but the problem is the drac pot since it gives 100+ str and is used right in our burst.

Maybe delaying DI a little by doing IR+BOTD wouldn't be so bad since we just have some buffs at moment and wouldn't mess with BOTD timer. Still need to think more about it cause i don't have all skills yet

And sorry for my english :X

[Syrus_Draco]

How do you fit in 2 ogcd between 1 global? I cannot do it without a delay for my next global. Is there ANY way I can make it work somehow?

If I just do the ogcd 1 by 1 is it a lot of DPS loss compared to being able to fit in two?

What does the rotation look like if I just do 1 ogcd at a time?

It can be a bit of a DPS loss, but I think the loss is almost immeasurable since the animation lock isn't super long. IIRC the main posts does should OGCD Double-Up in between GCD. While it isn't bad if you can pull it off without interrupting your GCD rotation, I personally wouldn't recommend it.

It is not a DPS loss if you do one OGCD at a time in between. It might even be encouraged.

In my currect rotation, I only ever Double-Up ONCE and space every OGCD as needed:

HT > Battle Litany > ID > B4B + IR > DIS > BotD > CT > PS > 4th > GK > PhB > Jump > etc etc etc

This way, I only double-up once in such a rotation. Hope it helps.

[Dervy]

Pre-Cast BL. Best way to do it, then leave Leg Sweep out of the opener and throw it last. Unbuffed.

That way, you're only double weaving IR + BOTD which shouldn't be an issue as they have short animation locks, and still got room for your Potion.