How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Thendiel]

yeah, the ogcd orders aren't actually ordered as they should be in that post. it should be

(BL+BFB), (BoTD+IR), then PS/LSW doesn't matter, and (LS+GK) is fine still since getting LS off cd earlier is good

i'll record a video of the opener; xpot actually does last for the fullthrust and geirskogul. the only iffy part is getting the 4th combo to benefit from litany and IR; it's a VERY tight timing at my skillspeed (2.39). i think at 2.37 or 2.38 it should be perfect though. if your latency isn't good and you clip gcd at all though, even the xpot on FT+GK will be iffy unless you have extra skillspeed

Oh, wow, that's great to hear. Definitely makes sense to burn Leg Sweep earlier, then, since Geirskogul timing is pretty immaterial. Should be:

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> PS+LegS -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Personally, I want to favor IR+BotD rather than BotD+IR, since the former gives us a fraction of a second more leeway for Blood of the Dragon's timer. Does BotD+IR give us IR for the 4th combo hit after FT or something?

[bj0rN]

Oh, wow, that's great to hear. Definitely makes sense to burn Leg Sweep earlier, then, since Geirskogul timing is pretty immaterial. Should be:

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> PS+GK -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Personally, I want to favor IR+BotD rather than BotD+IR, since the former gives us a fraction of a second more leeway for Blood of the Dragon's timer. Does BotD+IR give us IR for the 4th combo hit after FT or something?

Thendiel, you forgot LegS from the rotation you stated. I presume this is what you wanted to formulate

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> PS+LegS -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Using GK or LS first would be dependent on if it's a single target or a group I presume? Since LS ensures critical damage for next weapon-skill for 10s. Damage dealt will be absorbed as HP, up to 10% of maximum HP.

If we use LS before GK, it can ensures critical damage for GK on a group of mobs (it be great if someone can clarify that with me). And if we use LS after GK (before FT), then we will be dealing a lot more on one target since FT has a potency of 360 as compared to GK with a potency of 200.

GK extends the duration of BotD, so popping earlier would also be the "safer choice". But I don't think it will be detrimental if it is used after, since BotD was also used after IR in the earlier parts of the rotation.

[PaiiNx]

Using GK or LS first would be dependent on if it's a single target or a group I presume? Since LS ensures critical damage for next weapon-skill for 10s. Damage dealt will be absorbed as HP, up to 10% of maximum HP.

If we use LS before GK, it can ensures critical damage for GK on a group of mobs (it be great if someone can clarify that with me). And if we use LS after GK (before FT), then we will be dealing a lot more on one target since FT has a potency of 360 as compared to GK with a potency of 200.

GK isnt a weaponskill so LS doesnt work with it.

[Thendiel]

Thendiel, you forgot LegS from the rotation you stated. I presume this is what you wanted to formulate

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> LegS+PS -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Thank you for spotting that! You are correct. I meant to place Leg Sweep next to Power Surge. I have gone back and edited my previous post.

[Saruhada]

Hello,

Given that I hate placement on the sides, I intend to use on 4th skill only Wheeling Thrust.

Here is my being built rotation :

HT > BL+BFB > ID > IR > DIS > BoTD+PS > CT > Jump > 4th (WT) > GK > Phleb > LSweep > TT > SSD > VT > LS > FT > DFD

What do you thing about this ?

Thx

[Dervy]

Hello,

Given that I hate placement on the sides, I intend to use on 4th skill only Wheeling Thrust.

Here is my being built rotation :

HT > BL+BFB > ID > IR > DIS > BoTD+PS > CT > Jump > 4th (WT) > GK > Phleb > LSweep > TT > SSD > VT > LS > FT > DFD

What do you thing about this ?

Thx

Impossible to only use one of the skills, as you always have a 50/50 chance of proccing either one of them. You can't choose what skill you want to use. It's at random. If you decide to only use one of them, you have a 50/50 chance of only getting WT, resulting in an overall DPS decrease and less GKs per minute.

In the main post, it is stated that you need approximately 565 Skillspeed to make this rotation work. Maybe I'm getting it wrong? Perhaps there's a possibility that we can go lower than the stated Skill Speed needed.

Depends on the base level of your job.

Skillspeed at level 50 scales differently than it does at level 60. 0.00946 vs 0.0042 GCD reduction per 1 point of skillspeed gained. If I use my level 60 gear, level sync down to 50 due to low-level roulette, my GCD is 2.28, rather than 2.4 when I'm at level 60.

The same applies for Critical Hit Rating, which Viridiana is working on (Check SimFF thread) and I have a feeling the same applies to Determination.

[Saruhada]

Impossible to only use one of the skills, as you always have a 50/50 chance of proccing either one of them. You can't choose what skill you want to use. It's at random. If you decide to only use one of them, you have a 50/50 chance of only getting WT, resulting in an overall DPS decrease and less GKs per minute.

I dont have understand that before.
I'm very dissapointed, SE kill my job...

So, think I dont use any 4th in my rotation.
I hate placement, if I wanted to manage the placements I would play Monk and not Dragoon.

My new rotation ; 2.X like :

HT > BL+BFB > ID > IR > DIS > PS+BoTD > CT > Jump > Phleb > GK+LSweep > TT > SSD > VT > LS > FT > DFD

I think it's the best way for my GamePlay.
I know, I know, that suck, but I cant play correctly with sides placements and 50% chance of proc.

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[HeavensSword]

I dont have understand that before.
I'm very dissapointed, SE kill my job...

So, think I dont use any 4th in my rotation.
I hate placement, if I wanted to manage the placements I would play Monk and not Dragoon.

My new rotation ; 2.X like :

HT > BL+BFB > ID > IR > DIS > PS+BoTD > CT > Jump > Phleb > GK+LSweep > TT > SSD > VT > LS > FT > DFD

I think it's the best way for my GamePlay.
I know, I know, that suck, but I cant play correctly with sides placements and 50% chance of proc.

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I'm sorry you feel that way, but as Dervy says, it's not that hard with some practice.

If you really hate positional skills, then perhaps you would enjoy a class like SMN or BRD more? It seems that SE is pushing for positional requirements to be a core mechanic of melee DPS. Only a suggestion, because I personally think it would be better to play something else instead of playing something sub-optimally, but at the end of the day you need to play what you find fun.

[Mantrus]

I think it's the best way for my GamePlay.
I know, I know, that suck, but I cant play correctly with sides placements and 50% chance of proc.

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Here's what you can do to ignore positionals and the random procs. You'll get an intense potency decrease compared to doing the positionals, but better than playing it 2.0 style.

Make a macro like this:

/micon "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"

Use that macro as your 4th hit for both Chaos Thrust and Full Thrust. Congrats, now the only thing you need to worry about is getting used to having a 4 part combo instead of 3 parts. You'll be able to ignore positionals and the random proc.

[Saruhada]

Mmmmh, that's not a bad idea.
But I'm a MouseClicker since I play MMO's (10 years ago).

I will try that, thx.