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    pandabearcat's Avatar
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    TTT = 150 + 200 + 360 = 710
    IDC = 180 + 220 + 250 * 1.1 + 35*ticks = 675 + 35*ticks

    So...2 ticks. = 6 seconds max, 4.5 seconds avg, aka 2 GCDs ballpark post IDC

    If we extend to 1 GCD after, if we assume you are doing 4th combo, then IDC gives an additional 29 potency in damage, which means it will surpass TTT at 1 GCD.

    TTT4 = TTT + 290 = 1000
    IDC4 = IDC + 290*1.1 = 994 + 35*ticks

    So if you have time to finish even ONE 4th combo, then it is worth it to IDC. Esp if you have brd/mch hitting that same target.
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    Last edited by pandabearcat; 07-21-2015 at 01:34 AM.

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    Zeth Hiryu
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 100
    This coming week I'll be able to upgrade Hands+Legs, then either Feet or my other 2 accessories. I'm not sure which choice is better.

    After upgrading the Hands+Legs:

    w/ Feet
    ACC = 694 (-9)
    CRIT = 553 (-30)
    DET = 419 (+45)
    SPD = 579

    w/ Accessories (Earrings+Neck)
    ACC = 707 (+4)
    CRIT = 586 (+3)
    DET = 378 (+4)
    SPD = 582 (+3)
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    it's probably best to compare the set with feet vs the set with accessories

    anyway i'd say, if you're looking for immediate dps results, the accessories are better. you're not factoring in the extra str 2 accessories give over feet (2 accessories from i180=8 str, 1 feet from i180=5 str)

    if you still play bb, is it dead
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    Last edited by Aiurily; 07-21-2015 at 09:27 AM.

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    Aura Purrings
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 60
    I came across this on reddit with regards to someone who was asking if it was worth it DPS wise to keep BotD up even if it meant not landing your positionals correctly.

    Regardless, a nice chart to take a look at I suppose?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...td_timing_and/
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by bj0rN View Post
    I came across this on reddit with regards to someone who was asking if it was worth it DPS wise to keep BotD up even if it meant not landing your positionals correctly.

    Regardless, a nice chart to take a look at I suppose?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...td_timing_and/
    Yeah it's a nice sheet. Adding it to OP later.

    I calculated a while back, that the average potency of "4th" needs to be 220ish (counting misses) over the course of an entire encounter, for it to be a PPS gain over H IDC4 P TTT4 TTT4. That includes Jump buffs and GK if I'm not mistaken.

    As for Dropping BOTD vs skipping HT/P.. As long as you're able to hit all positionals in that cycle, yes skipping either a P or HT in favour of not dropping BOTD is the wisest thing to do. Dropping either is between a 1-2PPS loss, where as dropping BOTD is an 8 PPS loss including GK and Jump Buffs.(calculated in a 120s cycle that is).

    That's one of the things I'll be adding to the OP later.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeth07 View Post
    It should be the same as the old one.
    He should be using the Rotation of Shame as he doesn't have WT/FC yet. Everything else is spot on.
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    Last edited by Dervy; 07-21-2015 at 03:21 PM.

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    Character
    Craal Theion
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 38
    hi guys, i am so excited to finally be a Dragoon, at lvl 32 right now but i am strangling with the rotation at this low level. I've just got Ph and Jump and i am not exactly sure where should i fit those in.
    I mean, i don't have yet Dis so my rotation goes something like that:
    HT-IR-TT-VT-LS-FT-Ph and repeat the FT combo. Can you please tell me where should i fit Jump or B4B which i'll get at 34?
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    eso head det/ss
    eso chest acc/crit
    eso gloves det/acc
    eso pants crit/sksp
    eso boots acc/det
    eso belt crit/det
    eso neck crit/sksp
    eso earrings acc/det
    eso braclet acc/crit
    eso ring sksp/acc

    crafted i180 gear, neat
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    Last edited by Aiurily; 07-21-2015 at 05:08 PM.

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    Character
    Sunny Hirose
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 70
    Fang and Claw
    Potency has been increased from 100 to 200.
    * Potency when attacking from the rear [sic] has not been adjusted.

    Wheeling Thrust
    Potency has been increased from 100 to 200.
    * Potency when attacking from the rear has not been adjusted.

    [thrusts internally]
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    Character
    Pain Dontomberry
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 70
    Dragoon Fang and Claw »Potency has been increased from 100 to 200.
    * Potency when attacking from the rear has not been adjusted.

    Wheeling Thrust »Potency has been increased from 100 to 200.
    * Potency when attacking from the rear has not been adjusted.
    Someone ask for it and YoshiP deliver it
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 80
    N200 potency??

    DRG FOTM time lads. That means there's absolutely no excuse to ever drop BOTD in any given situation.

    EDIT: LMAO at i200-i210. That's broke. Also, is the Law gear our amazing AF2 DRG gear?
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    Last edited by Dervy; 07-21-2015 at 05:08 PM.

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