How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[rweezy]

Couple of questions.

How do you fit in 2 ogcd between 1 global? I cannot do it without a delay for my next global. Is there ANY way I can make it work somehow?

If I just do the ogcd 1 by 1 is it a lot of DPS loss compared to being able to fit in two?

What does the rotation look like if I just do 1 ogcd at a time?

If BoTD and IDC are about to run out at the same time and you just finished your FT or CT with 3-4 seconds left on BOTD/IDC, is it better to 4th and then IDC? or just IDC and wait until BoTD cd to come back up?

Thank you.

[whiskeybravo]

How do you fit in 2 ogcd between 1 global? I cannot do it without a delay for my next global. Is there ANY way I can make it work somehow?

You can't do it with every oGCD, power surge, internal release and botd? have quick animations that usually allow you to execute a second oGCD in between. It varies depending on your latency a bit too.

I can't really answer the other questions..

[Syrus_Draco]

How do you fit in 2 ogcd between 1 global? I cannot do it without a delay for my next global. Is there ANY way I can make it work somehow?

If I just do the ogcd 1 by 1 is it a lot of DPS loss compared to being able to fit in two?

What does the rotation look like if I just do 1 ogcd at a time?

It can be a bit of a DPS loss, but I think the loss is almost immeasurable since the animation lock isn't super long. IIRC the main posts does should OGCD Double-Up in between GCD. While it isn't bad if you can pull it off without interrupting your GCD rotation, I personally wouldn't recommend it.

It is not a DPS loss if you do one OGCD at a time in between. It might even be encouraged.

In my currect rotation, I only ever Double-Up ONCE and space every OGCD as needed:

HT > Battle Litany > ID > B4B + IR > DIS > BotD > CT > PS > 4th > GK > PhB > Jump > etc etc etc

This way, I only double-up once in such a rotation. Hope it helps.

[Dervy]

Yes. I did the math earlier on in the thread somewhere and I really should put it on the OP.

It showed PPS hit of losing BOTD vs PH vs HT. BOTD came up being around a 10 PPS hit over HT and PH combined.

I'll try find it, but it's around page 20

EDIT: Can't find the math, but here's me speaking about it before

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3085080

[Ukitsu]

I'm still thinking about it but pretty much those who play with high latency are kinda screwed cuz we need to use 2 oGCD in 2 situations at pull or we will miss some stuff:

HT (BL + B4B)
ID (IR+BOTD)
DI (DRAC POT)
CT (PS + LEG)
4TH (JUMP)
P (SSD)
TT (DFD)
VT (LS+GK)
FT
4Th

BL can be used at pull, so B4B can go alone and we are still okay (very little dps loss). Now its when problem occurs: IR+BOTD can't go one at the time without messing our rotation, unless you don't use drac pot (this way you could use IR alone on ID and BOTD on drac pot). Legsweep could just go to the second 4th (after TTT combo) and you could use the first GK after FT. Pretty sure we would lose very little dps but the problem is the drac pot since it gives 100+ str and is used right in our burst.

Maybe delaying DI a little by doing IR+BOTD wouldn't be so bad since we just have some buffs at moment and wouldn't mess with BOTD timer. Still need to think more about it cause i don't have all skills yet

And sorry for my english :X

[Dervy]

Pre-Cast BL. Best way to do it, then leave Leg Sweep out of the opener and throw it last. Unbuffed.

That way, you're only double weaving IR + BOTD which shouldn't be an issue as they have short animation locks, and still got room for your Potion.

[emmgee]

What is the main difference between doing IR + BOTD after ID and pot after DIS, and the opposite setup? I've had some weird bufff timings where I'm coming up on a FT and POWERS,LIFES,IR,BOTD, are all coming off CD at the same time. Its kind of awkward.

[pandabearcat]

A quick bug fix of the sim has been released, 0.4.3 : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ulator-2-SimFF

It also contains documentation and source code for a sample UI in case you want to take a look at that.

I've made delays a bit leaner.

Jump delay is now 1.0 seconds, down from 1.8
GCD delay is now 1.0 seconds, down from 1.2
oGCD delay is now 0.8 seconds, down from 1.0

Custom delays will be added after the 0.5.0 revamp next week.

[enil]

A quick bug fix of the sim has been released, 0.4.3 : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ulator-2-SimFF

It also contains documentation and source code for a sample UI in case you want to take a look at that.

I've made delays a bit leaner.

Jump delay is now 1.0 seconds, down from 1.8
GCD delay is now 1.0 seconds, down from 1.2
oGCD delay is now 0.8 seconds, down from 1.0

Custom delays will be added after the 0.5.0 revamp next week.

1.0 + 0.8 + 0.8 (2.6s) means still delays for double oGCD's but no more issues for jump's or regular oGCDs.
Phleb dot's still has a 18 second duration!

Thanks for you work, is the forums and your thread post the best way to keep udpated on simFF?

edit: is it possible to get a option for slightly randomised sim duration (within a set range maybe). This would help to evalulate SkS a bit better since the the weighting of SkS is often determined whether you get another global cooldown during the sim duration.

[Dervy]

It should be tight. I double weave BOTD + LIFED so I hit the full thrust, then power surge + IR afterwards.

The micro-management of off-cooldowns is something I'm going to go over in depth, unless someone *cough* thendiel, does it before me.