How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Outfoxed]

0.1s leeway for HT reapplication. Shouldve made it clearer. As you can see, C2 has 0.1s left on HT when you go and actually damage your opponent. Animation buff delay is awesome sometimes.

So while the +15% on HT is nice, it's not really something that dragoons should be optimizing for or even taking into account when specing the class. It's not some sort of magical threshhold that a dragoon must reach or significantly suffer in his dps.

The 15% of HT on HT is worth an unbuffed (no BL/BFB/IR) 25.5 potency. Or about 1 potency per second. Roughly 1% of our damage. Superior stat weighs will counteract it.

That's not a threshold or a number we should be optimizing for and it's not a big deal if we don't get it perfectly. I mean, we had a similar situation with CT and Pb last patch where any error in judgment/play resulted in a dropoff and SS builds were pretty rare in general.

I guess my argument is that HT clipping is just not big enough of a deal to be a priority.

[Dervy]

You keep mentioning 2.5GCD. I don't really know why you're so fixated about it. You mentioned that a good Dragon will hold Geirskogul due to mechanics in boss fights (which we agree) and that we should hold Geirskogul for a few more cycles so we can keep BotD up... Then you state that there's a mandatory check for Geirskogul usage at 2.5GCD.

Using the rotation at 2.5GCD, according to you, requires a lot more strict usage of Geirskogul, which makes it incapable of being used in certain fights, especially Ravana EX and Bismarck EX, where it's necessary to hold Geirskogul for phases. Moon Naga phase and Liberation are two mechanics which comes into mind in Ravana EX where you HAVE to hold Geirskogul otherwise you'll lose BotD.

Not only this, Ravana EX has a mechanic called "The Seeing X", where he parries all physical attacks in the position where "X" was, for 4s. It just so happens that the first "The Seeing" comes at 10s. At a GCD of 2.4 and attacking Ravana at the same time of your tank allows you to fit in the "4th" positional without getting RNG'd by The Seeing X. At 2.5GCD, you will not have that luxury and will have to move, not hitting your positional and taking a 190 potency hit MULTIPLE times throughout the fight.

You're being severely handicapped at 2.5 GCD from an End-Game perspective, trust me on this and I'm positive other Dragoons who are up to Ravana EX can agree with me on this.

And if you read the post correctly, I even showed you the math that 2.4GCD yields a higher PPS than 2.5GCD and that's hitting all HT's. It amounts to around 0.3 PPS loss each time you miss an HT. That sounds like nothing, but over the duration of a battle that lasts upwards of 10-15 minutes? It all adds up.

[Jonnycbad]

Is it possible to bypass the 58 quest and do 60? If you don't learn Wheeling Thrust, then Chaos Thrust and Full Thrust will both proc Fang and Claw 100% of the time...to what benefit then is there in even having Wheeling Thrust when it's the same potency/effect, but different position. Unless, of course, you can't unlock Geir unless you get WT :/

[ChaoticDarkGriever]

Is it possible to bypass the 58 quest and do 60? If you don't learn Wheeling Thrust, then Chaos Thrust and Full Thrust will both proc Fang and Claw 100% of the time...to what benefit then is there in even having Wheeling Thrust when it's the same potency/effect, but different position. Unless, of course, you can't unlock Geir unless you get WT :/

You cannot bypass the level 58 quest. You must do that quest in order to do the final job quest and get the final skill.

[HeavensSword]

Is it possible to bypass the 58 quest and do 60? If you don't learn Wheeling Thrust, then Chaos Thrust and Full Thrust will both proc Fang and Claw 100% of the time...to what benefit then is there in even having Wheeling Thrust when it's the same potency/effect, but different position. Unless, of course, you can't unlock Geir unless you get WT :/

If that were possible it would be an oversight on SE's part and would be promptly patched. They wouldn't design our rotation to work a certain way only to have it circumvented. Get wheeling and start getting practice with both it and FaC sooner rather than later.

[Dami]

Yep, the whole Wheeling Thrust/Fang & Claw having 50% procs is definitely a design oversight imo. They should have made it proc both and allow you to decide which to use. Boss A does AOE attacks from behind regularly? Use Fang & Claw. Boss B doesn't move around much but you have low ACC or just want to use your combo4 right after Chaos Thrust? Use Wheeling Thrust! Why make us go out of our way to use our combo4 in our rotations and let RNG control the rotations we use?

[Jonnycbad]

Giving them 100 potency on missed positional is dumb. :/

[ColdestHeaven]

A FC mate was testing changes within the critical hit rate stat with SCH. He seemed to notice that there were no significant changes in crit rate from 460 to 650+ (around 1%), and barely noticed any critical hit damage increase/decrease. The samples weren't enormous, granted, but it kind of worried me. Is there any progress on fleshing out the math behind the new stat and skills related to it?

[Viridiana]

A FC mate was testing changes within the critical hit rate stat with SCH. He seemed to notice that there were no significant changes in crit rate from 460 to 650+ (around 1%), and barely noticed any critical hit damage increase/decrease. The samples weren't enormous, granted, but it kind of worried me. Is there any progress on fleshing out the math behind the new stat and skills related to it?

At 657 crit rate, I'm narrowing in on 12% crit rate, with at least a 1.519x multiplier. So, I don't know where he's getting only 1% change from, unless he's saying that 460 rate also has about 12% rate, which would be insane.

[ColdestHeaven]

At 657 crit rate, I'm narrowing in on 12% crit rate, with at least a 1.519x multiplier. So, I don't know where he's getting only 1% change from, unless he's saying that 460 rate also has about 12% rate, which would be insane.

I meant change in 1% as "from 8% to 9%" (example, I don't remember the exact numbers). So from 12% to 13%, like.