How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Nominous]

HT > BL+BFB > ID > DracoPot > DIS > IR+BoTD > CT > PS+LSweep > 4th > GK > Phleb > Jump > TT > SSD > Vorpal > LS > FT > DFD > 4th > so on so forth.

GK being placed there won't matter in a long fight, but suppose the boss makes a first jump right after your opener, or a mechanic disrupts it. I think it might be more beneficial to hold GK till the second 4th hitter on some occasions, though.

[Dervy]

It's all about the timer. If you have under 21s on BotD after you use a 4th combo, you should always hold GK until the you're back up above 21s. This applies for all mechanics, or if you clip GCDs, missclick, etc.

Only exception are phase changes or if BotD is coming up again.

[Nominous]

It's all about the timer. If you have under 21s on BotD after you use a 4th combo, you should always hold GK until the you're back up above 21s. This applies for all mechanics, or if you clip GCDs, missclick, etc.

Only exception are phase changes or if BotD is coming up again.

Even with around 2.45 GCD I can do GK after the first 4th combo, and reach the second 4th just fine. The first fully buffed GK is nice, but I could see reasons to hold it, is all I was saying.

[bwa]

hmm, I agree that the pot should be used after Impulse Drive. obviously, the rotation you've been working with for oGCDs doesn't work if you just move everything back a step (you don't want to pop BotD after Impulse Drive!)

here's what I'm thinking for an opener without a pot:
HT -> IR + LSW -> ID -> BL + B4B -> DIS -> PS + BotD -> CT -> DFD -> 4TH -> Jump -> Phleb -> SSD -> TT -> GK -> VT -> LS -> FT

[Dervy]

hmm, I agree that the pot should be used after Impulse Drive. obviously, the rotation you've been working with for oGCDs doesn't work if you just move everything back a step (you don't want to pop BotD after Impulse Drive!)

here's what I'm thinking for an opener without a pot:
HT -> IR + LSW -> ID -> BL + B4B -> DIS -> PS + BotD -> CT -> DFD -> 4TH -> Jump -> Phleb -> SSD -> TT -> GK -> VT -> LS -> FT

BFB + BL should always be used after HT. Most PPS out of your skills.

Personally, I want to favor IR+BotD rather than BotD+IR, since the former gives us a fraction of a second more leeway for Blood of the Dragon's timer. Does BotD+IR give us IR for the 4th combo hit after FT or something?

Yah, but the timing is pretty tight. If you have Aiuri's SS, then it should work, given good latency. I'd rather go IR -> BotD due to EU poop-tier latency...

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Even with around 2.45 GCD I can do GK after the first 4th combo, and reach the second 4th just fine. The first fully buffed GK is nice, but I could see reasons to hold it, is all I was saying.

Yah, it agree with you. It's just a safety measure - GK below 21s is risky. Don't you have problems with the 3rd GK however? Your BotD should run out around when you should be using your 3rd GK if I'm not mistaken, or am I wrong in assuming this?

[Nominous]

Yah, it agree with you. It's just a safety measure - GK below 21s is risky. Don't you have problems with the 3rd GK however? Your BotD should run out around when you should be using your 3rd GK if I'm not mistaken, or am I wrong in assuming this?

Not entirely. If you use the GK on the first 4th, you can't use it on the second, as has been said here. The 3rd one is fine. After doing Fractal and the other 60 dungeon though... I'm getting less comfortable using GK at all, and just keeping up BoTD. Just like someone else said- in end-game content GK is probably going to be saved more than it's used, unless your BoTD timer is maxed out and it's cooldown is close to coming off. 12 seconds is good enough on bosses that are stationary, but lawd is it awful with these high-movement bosses.

[Dervy]

Not entirely. If you use the GK on the first 4th, you can't use it on the second, as has been said here. The 3rd one is fine. After doing Fractal and the other 60 dungeon though... I'm getting less comfortable using GK at all, and just keeping up BoTD. Just like someone else said- in end-game content GK is probably going to be saved more than it's used, unless your BoTD timer is maxed out and it's cooldown is close to coming off. 12 seconds is good enough on bosses that are stationary, but lawd is it awful with these high-movement bosses.

Odd. My model tells me you should run out of BoTD somewhere. I guess I need to make a few adjustments.

Personally, I'm not having any difficulties with GK usage in any of the Dungeons. The only boss that's remotely annoying is Minotaur in Fractal Continuum. I lose it there a lot, so I just blow GK when I know I'll lose it.

[Gardes]

Does the hotbar change macro have the problem of not queening your skills?

No, but as

If the skill is being used in the macro, it will have a queuing issue. If there is a separate macro that only switches the macro palette, then no, but you are now introducing an extra action you have to perform essentially.

pointed out, you have to press the same button at least twice to activate a skill (at least the ones that have a /chotbar change 1-5 macro. If you're a precision type of player that only presses a button to activate a skill once, you wont be able to use this style of setup. But if you're the mashing type of player like me, your thumb will not play any differently, you'll just switch sets around manually way less. For single targets you'll end up with 2 sets (1 is a double hold) and the R1 for resets.

[whiskeybravo]

but I cant play correctly with sides placements and 50% chance of proc.

That's why I spent an hour trying to come up with a way to fix the hotbars, change sucks xD

As goofy as the system seems, it's what SE decided to do, so we have to adapt to the change or sit on the bench.

But if you're the mashing type of player like me, your thumb will not play any differently, you'll just switch sets around manually way less.

I am def a button masher, so I don't foresee the action delay for my macro idea being too much of a hindrance, unless it starts causing some adverse side effects weaving in jumps and such. Won't know for a while tho.

As a side note, has anyone been having issues with target cycling? I have, some times it just won't cycle through the enemies. Really prevalent tanking when I switch enemies to spread enmity around. I don't recall ever having this much trouble, just flat out won't select enemies that are standing right in front of me when I go to cycle through.

[HeavensSword]

As a side note, has anyone been having issues with target cycling? I have, some times it just won't cycle through the enemies. Really prevalent tanking when I switch enemies to spread enmity around. I don't recall ever having this much trouble, just flat out won't select enemies that are standing right in front of me when I go to cycle through.

I just wish they would revisit enemy cycling in general. I have next enemy and previous enemy bound to my "thumb" mouse buttons; it usually works well for me, but it's still super quirky. I've been tanking on DRK lately and have noticed i've had to click monsters a bit more than I use too simply because my target cycling was failing to select what I wanted.