How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Gardes]

Nice, it seems you've accounted for pretty much all the GCDs. My only question, all other off-GCDs in the same spots on the rest of the empty hotbars? I would have a had time with that since I'm so used to where they are now lol

Yes, basically this is on your R2 (or L2 if you like). First you make set 1 complete with all the OGCDs on the dpad and the GCDs on the face buttons. Then you use /chotbar copy drg 1 drg 2/3/4/5. Then you place all the gcds and macros on 1-5. Then as you play, the ogcd buttons should all look the same as you press the face buttons and switch around sets. I have IR, B4B, Stun, and jump on them. The rest are on R2+L2 (surges, invigorate,dfd, etc).

But that's just how I set up mine. Trying to have all the single targets on one shoulder button and the double hold. The other side of the shoulder are all the same from set 1 - 5: aoe attacks and throws, etc.

[OmegaStrongtan]

Does the hotbar change macro have the problem of not queening your skills?

[HeavensSword]

Does the hotbar change macro have the problem of not queening your skills?

If the skill is being used in the macro, it will have a queuing issue. If there is a separate macro that only switches the macro palette, then no, but you are now introducing an extra action you have to perform essentially.

[Aiurily]

yeah, the ogcd orders aren't actually ordered as they should be in that post. it should be

(BL+BFB), (BoTD+IR), then PS/LSW doesn't matter, and (LS+GK) is fine still since getting LS off cd earlier is good

i'll record a video of the opener; xpot actually does last for the fullthrust and geirskogul. the only iffy part is getting the 4th combo to benefit from litany and IR; it's a VERY tight timing at my skillspeed (2.39). i think at 2.37 or 2.38 it should be perfect though. if your latency isn't good and you clip gcd at all though, even the xpot on FT+GK will be iffy unless you have extra skillspeed

[Thendiel]

yeah, the ogcd orders aren't actually ordered as they should be in that post. it should be

(BL+BFB), (BoTD+IR), then PS/LSW doesn't matter, and (LS+GK) is fine still since getting LS off cd earlier is good

i'll record a video of the opener; xpot actually does last for the fullthrust and geirskogul. the only iffy part is getting the 4th combo to benefit from litany and IR; it's a VERY tight timing at my skillspeed (2.39). i think at 2.37 or 2.38 it should be perfect though. if your latency isn't good and you clip gcd at all though, even the xpot on FT+GK will be iffy unless you have extra skillspeed

Oh, wow, that's great to hear. Definitely makes sense to burn Leg Sweep earlier, then, since Geirskogul timing is pretty immaterial. Should be:

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> PS+LegS -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Personally, I want to favor IR+BotD rather than BotD+IR, since the former gives us a fraction of a second more leeway for Blood of the Dragon's timer. Does BotD+IR give us IR for the 4th combo hit after FT or something?

[bj0rN]

Oh, wow, that's great to hear. Definitely makes sense to burn Leg Sweep earlier, then, since Geirskogul timing is pretty immaterial. Should be:

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> PS+GK -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Personally, I want to favor IR+BotD rather than BotD+IR, since the former gives us a fraction of a second more leeway for Blood of the Dragon's timer. Does BotD+IR give us IR for the 4th combo hit after FT or something?

Thendiel, you forgot LegS from the rotation you stated. I presume this is what you wanted to formulate

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> PS+LegS -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Using GK or LS first would be dependent on if it's a single target or a group I presume? Since LS ensures critical damage for next weapon-skill for 10s. Damage dealt will be absorbed as HP, up to 10% of maximum HP.

If we use LS before GK, it can ensures critical damage for GK on a group of mobs (it be great if someone can clarify that with me). And if we use LS after GK (before FT), then we will be dealing a lot more on one target since FT has a potency of 360 as compared to GK with a potency of 200.

GK extends the duration of BotD, so popping earlier would also be the "safer choice". But I don't think it will be detrimental if it is used after, since BotD was also used after IR in the earlier parts of the rotation.

[PaiiNx]

Using GK or LS first would be dependent on if it's a single target or a group I presume? Since LS ensures critical damage for next weapon-skill for 10s. Damage dealt will be absorbed as HP, up to 10% of maximum HP.

If we use LS before GK, it can ensures critical damage for GK on a group of mobs (it be great if someone can clarify that with me). And if we use LS after GK (before FT), then we will be dealing a lot more on one target since FT has a potency of 360 as compared to GK with a potency of 200.

GK isnt a weaponskill so LS doesnt work with it.

[Thendiel]

Thendiel, you forgot LegS from the rotation you stated. I presume this is what you wanted to formulate

HT -> (BL+(BFB -> ID -> (Pot -> Dis -> (IR+BotD -> CT -> LegS+PS -> 4th -> Jump -> Phleb -> DFD/SSD -> TT -> DFD/SSD -> VT -> GK+LS -> FT))) -> 4th)

Thank you for spotting that! You are correct. I meant to place Leg Sweep next to Power Surge. I have gone back and edited my previous post.

[Saruhada]

Hello,

Given that I hate placement on the sides, I intend to use on 4th skill only Wheeling Thrust.

Here is my being built rotation :

HT > BL+BFB > ID > IR > DIS > BoTD+PS > CT > Jump > 4th (WT) > GK > Phleb > LSweep > TT > SSD > VT > LS > FT > DFD

What do you thing about this ?

Thx

[bj0rN]

Thank you for spotting that! You are correct. I meant to place Leg Sweep next to Power Surge. I have gone back and edited my previous post.

No problem! Now to actually test to see what's the minimum Skill Speed we would need to pull this off nicely and if the numbers pull of well. I wonder if we can finalize this and add to the main thread soon.

That aside, the Dragoons new rotation only works with a Global Cooldown of 2.4s and below to play efficiently. I've checked that I'm currently at 509 Skill Speed and my GCD is at 2.34 Sec. In the main post, it is stated that you need approximately 565 Skillspeed to make this rotation work. Maybe I'm getting it wrong? Perhaps there's a possibility that we can go lower than the stated Skill Speed needed.