How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[hagare]

I have a question to all master dragoon out there.
What's the standard dummy DPS for i193.
I'm trying to get back to dragooning again after weeks of crafting addiction

Eso weapon with most alex NM gear and an eso waist and acc forgot which.

I'm hovering between 1190-1290 which seems a bit low to me. Because I've been hearing people hitting 1300 at the same gear level.

[JackFross]

Honestly, those numbers seem fine. You could probably be a bit higher - 1300 is feasible at that gear level - but dummy parses only matter so much. In my times DFing Alex Normal, I've seen a few DRGs with better gear than me who'd essentially match me on Faust and then fall over 150 short on the Oppressor fight. Sure, the better your dummy parse the higher your burst, but none of that *really* matters when it comes right down to it if you can't adjust for mechanics. Don't put so much stock in what you're doing on a dummy, imo. Those parses vary wildly based on lucky/unlucky crit runs. My current gear (i198; Savage gloves/ears/ring, eso spear/wrist/ring/pants, Alex NM all the rest) can see me pushing 1400 if I get lucky crits or fall as low as 1250 (or worse) if my crit rate is abysmal (or if the crits come only on weaker skills).

That's just my opinion on dummy dps, though, others might feel differently.

tl;dr: you're doing just fine, but could do a bit better.

[hagare]

Honestly, those numbers seem fine. You could probably be a bit higher - 1300 is feasible at that gear level - but dummy parses only matter so much. In my times DFing Alex Normal, I've seen a few DRGs with better gear than me who'd essentially match me on Faust and then fall over 150 short on the Oppressor fight. Sure, the better your dummy parse the higher your burst, but none of that *really* matters when it comes right down to it if you can't adjust for mechanics. Don't put so much stock in what you're doing on a dummy, imo. Those parses vary wildly based on lucky/unlucky crit runs. My current gear (i198; Savage gloves/ears/ring, eso spear/wrist/ring/pants, Alex NM all the rest) can see me pushing 1400 if I get lucky crits or fall as low as 1250 (or worse) if my crit rate is abysmal (or if the crits come only on weaker skills).

That's just my opinion on dummy dps, though, others might feel differently.

tl;dr: you're doing just fine, but could do a bit better.

I know
I just needed a base line to see whether what I'm doing is right for that ilvl.

[JackFross]

Ah~ C: Well I think it's possible to be hitting 1300. The only way I or anybody else could help figure out where you're lacking would be to see a detailed breakdown of the parse and what skills you use when. Saving your fourth GSK for your second B4B (and then hitting the fifth before it falls off!), for example, is actually a noticeable boost in such a short, bursty parse, and something not everyone thinks to do.

And Dervy, dunno if you'll see this, but I'm curious how you calculate out your "DPS" numbers in your set listing. I've been trying to make a spreadsheet to do it myself, but after a lot of tweaking I've gotten to 1513.795 for that first set. Tried tweaking it to make it more accurate (adding the Crit adjutment after calculating it all out), but it only made it go UP to 1516. D:

[Dervy]

There's many, many things that could be inflating your DPS.

• Are you sure your model is using the proper rotation?
• Are you using the correct formulas?
• Are you clipping your models DoTs correctly?
• How are you distributing your buffs in your model? If you're not averaging them out like I am, are you sure these buffs which are applied to your DoTs are also being clipped properly?
• Are you making sure there isn't an error in the stats you've inputed?

I never calculated DPS first. I always make sure to calculate PPS, THEN add that into the damage formula. The PPS takes into consideration all buffs, crit, skillspeed, battle litany, everything. This PPS is then plugged into the damage formula.

Then, there's also this question, how are you adding AAs?

My Model will always calculate expected DPS to be 10-20DPS lower than in-game as all of my buffs and DoT ticks are averaged out, rather than being used on specific skills along with other, really weird stuff I cannot explain.

[Dargonis]

ive been hoarding my esoterics im a 190 drg full alex gear and a 180 law ring, i have my 200 spear and im wondering what should I buy ? people say body and legs but if i do that my melee recast goes to 2.42 which is bad, so im asking for help from dragoons who are raiding, what is the best buy order for my esoteric armor.

[SunnyHirose]

I haven't tested it lately, but in 2.0 the variation I cooked up myself was a bit of an overestimator if anything.

[hagare]

Timing my buffs with my skills better is something I really need to practice on. Been hitting B4B soon as it's up, but I guess that's not very good.
Back to the training dummy.
Thanks for the answers

[JackFross]

Maybe you can point out where I'm going wrong? This is what I'm looking at (my character's current stats are plugged in).
http://puu.sh/jUCaO/a07a245d72.png

I've got calculations going there for IR and BL based on critrate, Life Surge gains calculated based on critrate, the % boost calculated based on relation of pps gain v pps values of skills+jump+dot all together. AA/Skills/Jumps (botd)/dots all split out as separate PPS calculations because of different buffs on each of them. I'm really curious where exactly I've missed something. I have the crit adjustment all the way at the end, affecting the final DPS calculation, because I assume the crit buff would be added to the "buffs" section and it shouldn't make a huge difference putting it there v building it into each DPS calculation.

This spit out 1355 which was pretty much what I parsed when testing.

And it's all multiplicative, so applying buffs to PPS or putting them under the "Buffs" section is literally the exact same thing.


woooop~

It's also not about holding B4B - it's about holding Geirskogul. The former should (generally) be used on cooldown. The latter has 3 uses per 60s, so it's flexible (within reason) when to pop it without dps loss. Should be 2 under b4b, 2 out of b4b in general, outside of the opener where you just get 1 under your first b4b.

[hagare]

Aaah....
Oh yea question. If you have to skip a geir due to mechanics, do you use BoTD when it's ready or do you wait until the 3rd geir before you use it?
And what's the stat weight now? Crit better than det?
ACC + SS till cap first?