How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Sacerdos]

HT -> ID -> Dis -> CT -> 4th -> Phl -> TT -> VT -> FT -> 4th -> HT -> TT -> VT -> FT -> 4th -> Phl -> ID -> Dis -> CT

Note you're just changing CT -> FT -> CT -> FT to CT -> FT -> FT -> CT, so total direct damage potency is the same looking at this window, you're just looking at the debuffs.

Dis drops after 30 seconds before the second Phl and CT drops at the second ID

You only get 2-3 ticks more of the buffed CT dot. I'm assuming all the buffs stacked is about 50% of 70-105 potentcy, so 35 to 52.5 potency. I am pulling that out of my hat because I don't know the actual math on the total damage boost from stacking everything at once.

CT dot drops for 7.5s, losing 2-3 ticks (70-105 potency) and Disembowel drops for 3 GCDs worth 570 potency total (the second Phl and CT combo). Disembowel debuff is 11.1% damage increase, so ~62 potency lost. That is not counting if there is a MCH or BRD. 3 GCDs for MCH/BRD is at least 450 potency, so you're losing ~50 potency on their attacks in that window.

You lose 132-167 potency due to dropping Disembowel and CT dot, to gain ~52.5 potency on the unclipped buffed dot. You lose even more if you have a MCH/BRD.

This math is pretty napkin and has a lot of assumptions/errors but its pretty clear its a net loss.

[Dervy]

That's also something I was going to investigate. Let's do the math.

Think of it this way, if you have 1000 str (which we all approximately do), then a Draconian Potion is roughly a 10% damage increase according to my damage model. Try it out for yourself, the model is in the OP.

Let's assume we have 800 CRT (which we're basing this off), which is 15.3% CRT and 1.55228 CRT Damage Mod, (1+0.55228*(15.3%+10%+15%)) = 1.223, along with 2.414 GCD, which is 590SS.

So, it's 70*1.3*1.15*1.1*1.223 = 140.78565 potency for x2 CT ticks, which we're potentially clipping.

When we don't clip and do idc ttt ttt, we miss out 2 skills being buffed by DIS (ID + DIS) and 1.9 ticks of CT.

So, this is ((180+220)*1.15*1.3*0.1) + (35*1.9*1.15*1.3) = 159.2175 * (1+0.55228*15.3%) = 172.7 Potency.

172.7 - 140.7 = 32 Potency net loss.

[Greyfrost]

May I ask the average / optimal output number as a Dragoon on A1 Faust? I'm using Brionac and some i190 armor, with 2.44s recast time, I want to increase my numbers, I did around 1,2k over 2-3minutes without food/pots.

My friend showed me parse proof that he did around 1,4k as a MNK on Faust, and I'd really like it if I could get to his numbers >_>. Taking into consideration that our class should've better numbers than they do.

[Pluvia]

May I ask the average / optimal output number as a Dragoon on A1 Faust? I'm using Brionac and some i190 armor, with 2.44s recast time, I want to increase my numbers, I did around 1,2k over 2-3minutes without food/pots.

My friend showed me parse proof that he did around 1,4k as a MNK on Faust, and I'd really like it if I could get to his numbers >_>. Taking into consideration that our class should've better numbers than they do.

Did he show you just the damage on faust or did he show you the overall elixir field cheese dps because i'm pretty damn sure monk can't hit 1400 on faust ST

[Greyfrost]

Did he show you just the damage on faust or did he show you the overall elixir field cheese dps because i'm pretty damn sure monk can't hit 1400 on faust ST

I'm not quite sure whether it's adds bloating using elixir field or not, what I do know is he wasn't using Eso weapon, only the i180 weapon, and looking from the other members' dps parse they're dps-ing only Faust down.

He's one of the best MNK I've ever seen but this is just mathematically impossible, we got our perfect rotations and all.

[Viridiana]

He's one of the best MNK I've ever seen but this is just mathematically impossible, we got our perfect rotations and all.

The thing about Faust is that 2/3 of the melee classes are doing incidental AOE as part of their single target rotation. If the person reporting the numbers isn't going out of their way to get to the Faust-only numbers, odds are very good that numbers are being inflated. Same is true of SMN. Think the only DPS classes that don't inflate are NIN and maybe BLM?

[SpecialKK]

May I ask the average / optimal output number as a Dragoon on A1 Faust? I'm using Brionac and some i190 armor, with 2.44s recast time, I want to increase my numbers, I did around 1,2k over 2-3minutes without food/pots.

My friend showed me parse proof that he did around 1,4k as a MNK on Faust, and I'd really like it if I could get to his numbers >_>. Taking into consideration that our class should've better numbers than they do.

Holy crap I need to seriously up my game. I too got brionac and the proto chest which got me to i189. No food, party, or pots but I did just sub 1k.

That's terrible

What's the sweet spot for using invigorate?

[Daralii]

Holy crap I need to seriously up my game. I too got brionac and the proto chest which got me to i189. No food, party, or pots but I did just sub 1k.

That's terrible

What's the sweet spot for using invigorate?

It's as soon as an ability puts you below 500 I think.

[Greyfrost]

What's the sweet spot for using invigorate?

I was below i185 when I did 1,2k on Faust I believe, since I was late on doing Alexander, missed a few weeks.

Sweet spot for using invigorate is when you hit below 500TP, but if you think you can end the battle before you hit OR after that mark but soon, I'd rather save it.

On a side note, how do you guys manage to keep 590 Skill Speed (2.4s GCD) with these current gears? As I'm aware that when I'm upgrading my gears from i180>i190 (Alex) I'm losing Skill Speed, and got enchanced Accuracy stats instead.

My stats now is as followed : http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/11826609/
As you can see with these gears, I'm getting 498 SS instead of the optimal +-590 SS, hence I'm sitting on 2.44s GCD.

[whiskeybravo]

What's the sweet spot for using invigorate?

With minimal downtime it seems like Invig lines up well with BotD. I need it around the first time BotD comes off CD, and it lines up with every other BotD thereafter (60 sec/120 sec)