How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[whiskeybravo]

First of all, a gratitude is in order into making this lab for us dragoons, and it also serves as training ground for us.

I just thought I should drop by and say my greetings since I'm a newgoon. Currently progressing to 60 to get those law gears and do hard raids.

EDIT:

Also a question I might wanna ask to those with more experience in dungeons, you WILL encounter a group of foes numbering 2, 3, or 4.

I usually pick one that's not so hard to kill and not too easy to die and hits quite hard just so my DoTs stack will work with maximum efficacy.

Question is, what do I do after the said enemy dies? Almost in every situation, all the other enemies are at half-hp more or less. Do I restart my rotation right from the heavy > IDC4, or just heavy > TTT4 ?

I know the rotation in the first post is aimed towards mid-long battle where keeping up the DPS is important, but... I find this bugging me, especially since I just cleared Ravana and the group needs to clear butterflies fast, otherwise partywipe.

Been leveling up myself, should get Wheeling tonight and the real fun begins lol. Multi-dotting mobs is still effective, HT-IDC4-P then IDC on the next mob, sometimes I'll switch back to the first for 4th and HT-RoT (if at least 3 mobs) IDC 3rd mob, again can hit whichever with 4th, Pleb. Etc. after all that I just TTT4 until they're dead, or if they are all low finish them off with Doomspike. For 4 or more enemies I just AoE, HT-RoT and Doomspike spam. Still playing around with things but really enjoying the BotD mechanic so far

[Snoosky66]

EDIT:

Also a question I might wanna ask to those with more experience in dungeons, you WILL encounter a group of foes numbering 2, 3, or 4.

I usually pick one that's not so hard to kill and not too easy to die and hits quite hard just so my DoTs stack will work with maximum efficacy.

Question is, what do I do after the said enemy dies? Almost in every situation, all the other enemies are at half-hp more or less. Do I restart my rotation right from the heavy > IDC4, or just heavy > TTT4 ?

I know the rotation in the first post is aimed towards mid-long battle where keeping up the DPS is important, but... I find this bugging me, especially since I just cleared Ravana and the group needs to clear butterflies fast, otherwise partywipe.

Thendiel's 2.XX "How to Train your Dragoon" guide had good information on "what do I use if an enemy is about to die in 1-4 hits?". ID-Dis gives us our highest potency in two hits (if I remember the guide correctly) and is something I use often. I think that is the highest potency 2 GCD hit even if HT and Ph are down.

I think the short answer is, if you think the enemy is going to still be standing at least 2 GCDs after you use a 4 step combo, use IDC4.

I regularly do ID on a low health mob, switch to higher health mob for Dis-CT, back to first mob for 4th, then back to second mob for Ph, then finish off the low health mob if its still standing.

[Dervy]

WOW! This gear creep is unbelievable. At full i120 "bis" we'll be averaging 20% CRT and a crit multiplier of 1.558. That's basically 2.2 levels of crit.

We gained 300 crit approximately from a 30 ilvl jump (i180-i210).

So if there's a similar trend of 300+ per 30 ilvls, I'll guesstimate +600 at the end of the expansion (3.4)...

34% Crit Chance with a multiplier of 1.6987... That's scary if they follow this 300 Crit jump per patch...

[HeavensSword]

WOW! This gear creep is unbelievable. At full i120 "bis" we'll be averaging 20% CRT and a crit multiplier of 1.558. That's basically 2.2 levels of crit.

We gained 300 crit approximately from a 30 ilvl jump (i180-i210).

So if there's a similar trend of 300+ per 30 ilvls, I'll guesstimate +600 at the end of the expansion (3.4)...

34% Crit Chance with a multiplier of 1.6987... That's scary if they follow this 300 Crit jump per patch...

I'm hoping they don't go too crazy for the sake of longevity. Wouldn't want to have to do a stat squish like WoW needed in their recent expansion.

DS sucks in these new expert dungeons as of right now. Mostly because we arent as overgeared for it as we were for expert in 2.x yet. I can spam DS for 1000 TP and invigorate and still only have taken out about 30-40% of the hoard's HP pool, then I'm effectively neutered for quite a while. I'd rather'd IDC/TTT with georskoguls thrown in the mix, otherwise you'll have nothing for the next round of adds. I'm hopeful they will scale Doom Spike's damage at some point or reduce it's TP cost, but if nerfing Holy/Flare is any indication, likely not.

I've mainly had issues when the other DPS's AoE isn't up to snuff, otherwise after i've used my invigorate, I stop my AoE when i get to about 400 tp and then resume ST on the mobs remaining.

I'm still annoyed by the BRDs and MCHs that don't know how (or refuse) to use their TP regen though; at least after an AoE intensive group between pulls would be nice.

[Jonnycbad]

DS sucks in these new expert dungeons as of right now. Mostly because we arent as overgeared for it as we were for expert in 2.x yet. I can spam DS for 1000 TP and invigorate and still only have taken out about 30-40% of the hoard's HP pool, then I'm effectively neutered for quite a while. I'd rather'd IDC/TTT with georskoguls thrown in the mix, otherwise you'll have nothing for the next round of adds. I'm hopeful they will scale Doom Spike's damage at some point or reduce it's TP cost, but if nerfing Holy/Flare is any indication, likely not.

[kyrios91]

DS sucks in these new expert dungeons as of right now. Mostly because we arent as overgeared for it as we were for expert in 2.x yet. I can spam DS for 1000 TP and invigorate and still only have taken out about 30-40% of the hoard's HP pool, then I'm effectively neutered for quite a while. I'd rather'd IDC/TTT with georskoguls thrown in the mix, otherwise you'll have nothing for the next round of adds. I'm hopeful they will scale Doom Spike's damage at some point or reduce it's TP cost, but if nerfing Holy/Flare is any indication, likely not.

IMHO DS / RoT is just bad if the adds are quite tanky. I pump more DPS with just doing a normal rotation on a target and popping GK as the AoE bit rather than spamming DS which gave low DPS/TP returns. The only moment I use HT > RoT > DS spam is at the Violet section of Fractal where the mobs there are very squishy.

[spelley]

I also stick to single target unless dealing with Violet adds OR the section right before Alex 3. Also a bunch of old content trash and The Vault.

[ShiroSteve]

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[pandabearcat]

Dervy mind if I ask what your Ilvl and buff status was on the parses on page 103? Food, party, pot etc. Just trying to sort out where I'm sitting in comparison.

put your stats into the sim, it will give you a very accurate dummy dps to aim for.

edit: turn off pots if you don't want to use pots, etc.