Anyone else think Machinist will have an insane amount of synergy with scholar?

[SovereignAegis]

Looking at the machinist skills there are so many skills that have so many AWESOME debuffs.

I am kind of alarmed that they did this, it reminds me a lot of gunner from final fantasy tactics advance.

I am thinking that if a scholar used supervirus and a machinist was there that if their debuffs stacked additively that the damage mitigation would be nothing short of incredible.

From this document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eview?sle=true

[spoilers]


•Reload - Loads 5 “Ammunition” into your gun, which can be used for attacks. 1 minute cooldown. Some abilities cost 3 ammo, some cost 1.


•Quick Reload - Loads 1 “Ammunition” into your gun, [Also TP Regen?] Short cooldown.


•Spread Shot - Conal AoE attack


•??? - Uses Ammo, large damage.


•Head Graze/Grazing Shot - Powerful slow, costs 1 ammo.


•Turrets - No cast time, Ground targeted. Stationary when placed, one at a time. Auto Targets your target. Short cooldown. No HP bar, so cannot be targeted and killed (as far as seen.)


◦Autoturret Rook - Gatling Gun Turret - Can be turned into a TP regen turret.


◦Autoturret Bishop - AoE Lightning Spammer - Applies slow debuff. Can be turned into a MP regen turret.


•??? - Converts turret to TP/MP regen instead of dps. Off GCD, very short cooldown.


•Turret Recovery - Retrieves turret from field.


•??? - Can upgrade guns with different barrels (is a skill, not an item. Acts like ninja poison.) for different effects. Stay active until you turn them off, but things cost more TP.


•Gauss Barrel - Works like the Bard’s Wanderer’s minuet.


•Suppressive Fire - Stun attack


•Weapon Break - Physical damage reduction debuff attack.


•Mind Shot - Magical Damage reduction debuff attack


•Has actions that apply various debuffs (Heavy, Slow, Stun, Knockback, Silence, Physical damage reduction, Magical Damage reduction) that all share a recast timer.


•Ammo gives your 1-2-3 combo each a 50% chance to proc and power up the next shot.


•Wildfire - charges damage and attacks at once? post is unclear.


•??? - Throws grenade at target.


•??? - Sets bombs to accumulate damage (may actually be what Wildfire is)


•Split Shot - 50% chance to empower next Slug Shot (100% with ammo)


•Slug Shot - 50% chance to empower next Clean shot (100% with ammo)


•Clean Shot - Combo finisher


•Combos

◦Split Shot > Slug Shot > Clean Shot[/spoilers]

[Tranquil]

Well, I dunno man, they'll have their Storm's Path-equivalent (ie. the physical damage side of that only) and a Dragon Kick-equivalent for INT, from which they have to choose (seemingly). It's good that they have various options for mitigation, utility and debuffing, but we already have some of this stuff from WAR and MNK for the stuff that matters, then the other forms of CC from other jobs.

Still looking forward to it (tm), though. Will be interesting to see how it plays out!

[Eloah]

Wouldnt summoner work for this as well, I mean they have the same class skills as scholar

[AzraelX]

I think machinist is going to be a beast dps and might see a nerd to be it down to other jobs

[elemental10]

MCH is a great synergy with a lot of class except maybe bard because they bring the same thing to the table.

But looking at things, I'm expecting the nerf bat to hit MCH first. Either a reduction to your DPS or some of the debuffs will go away.

I'm remaining optimistic though. Even if MCH is a great DPS, it doesn't really mean that other DPS will be ignored.

[SovereignAegis]

MCH is a great synergy with a lot of class except maybe bard because they bring the same thing to the table.

But looking at things, I'm expecting the nerf bat to hit MCH first. Either a reduction to your DPS or some of the debuffs will go away.

I'm remaining optimistic though. Even if MCH is a great DPS, it doesn't really mean that other DPS will be ignored.

I actually disagree, machinist and bard mana regain likely compliments eachother. And we know how fast WHM can BURN through their mana supply lategame. If the machinist and bard buffs stack (they should) then I see machinist + bard having incredible lategame synergy in difficult raids.

[elemental10]

I actually disagree, machinist and bard mana regain likely compliments eachother. And we know how fast WHM can BURN through their mana supply lategame. If the machinist and bard buffs stack (they should) then I see machinist + bard having incredible lategame synergy in difficult raids.

I see. Stacking them up WOULD make the effects stronger, and thus TP/Mana will not be a problm.

But having the same utilities by two classes is, in my opinion, quite an overlap. You can exchange BRD with another DPS that can contribute to the team with some other kind of utility. WHM will burn out their mana, but considering they have their own MP-regen ability I think only either MCH/BRD would be needed.

A team composition would have to have a Tank, an all-out DPS, a Support, and of course a Healer. By having two Supports, you are sacrificing an all-out DPS. But yes, a BRD/MCH wouldn't be a bad DPS themselves. Just... bringing two same things together could be good in some situations when you need a very strong MP/TP-regen, but where would you need such an OP thing? Coils maybe? Alexander?

[Shamirah]

DRG BRD MCH SMN SCH will be top comp.

[Seaku]

DRG BRD MCH SMN SCH will be top comp.

I'd replace the BRD with NIN honestly, and have the AST in there somewhere. Time dilation, +15s on buffs on one target. Then +trick attack and MCH's damage boost. You don't need BRD now with DRK having a 30% foes requiem.

[ArdorGrey]

Well, I dunno man, they'll have their Storm's Path-equivalent (ie. the physical damage side of that only) and a Dragon Kick-equivalent for INT, from which they have to choose (seemingly). It's good that they have various options for mitigation, utility and debuffing, but we already have some of this stuff from WAR and MNK for the stuff that matters, then the other forms of CC from other jobs.

Still looking forward to it (tm), though. Will be interesting to see how it plays out!

Storms path is *all* damage.

Rage of halone is str only.

But I agree its weird that sch is where tc's mind went. Chances are sch is the only utility heavy class they have much experience with.