Removing EXP from dungeon critters?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Oh, I don't doubt the trash will still be worth clearing - but they want to get away from "you only stay in the dungeon for 5 minutes". They moved away from it when Brayflox HM runs through the first two bosses were a thing for Soldiery by shifting where the tomestones were being given, and they wanted to emphasize away from it here. Because there's already one post illustrating the problem - worse than speedruns skipping a few optional encounters are players who leave others hanging because they "got what they wanted" and left, simply because the rest was a comparative waste of time. Especially when talking about content people actually need to clear to progress.

Most low-level dungeons aren't designed to be speedrun anyway, honestly - trash is everywhere and trying to make a huge pull is suffering.

They straight up said in the patch notes the total EXP isn't changing.

Well, now instead of helping my friends do dungeons because I know they are worth good experience. I will tell them to go run fates instead. I will also refuse to group with them because they are a waste of time, and fates are faster. It also nerfs several abilities I liked on my Warrior. Why even be a warrior now if I can't massive pull anymore? I will be a paladin and skip.

A few bad apples in a video game. Big freaking deal. A hammer was smashed in a fun play-style because of a few exploiters and whiners. They should make their own groups if they can't deal with a bad matchmaker.

[AskaRay]

Well, now instead of helping my friends do dungeons because I know they are worth good experience. I will tell them to go run fates instead. I will also refuse to group with them because they are a waste of time, and fates are faster. It also nerfs several abilities I liked on my Warrior. Why even be a warrior now if I can't massive pull anymore? I will be a paladin and skip.

A few bad apples in a video game. Big freaking deal. A hammer was smashed in a fun play-style because of a few exploiters and whiners. They should make their own groups if they can't deal with a bad matchmaker.

So you'd rather be a jerk and not help your friends.. interesting.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

So you'd rather be a jerk and not help your friends.. interesting.

I am helping them, by doing things faster so we can do fun content and not worry about stupid levels <3 Leveling isn't fun for me, its a waste of time.

Killing hundreds of mobs for experience, however was fun for me. Very fun, made me feel powerful. Now I feel like a coward skipping it.

Some times you just have to call your friends fat, to help them get a better body. If you just tell them they look good all the time your lying to them. Lying is bad.

Yes, it does encourage speedrunning. But it discourages room-1 farming.
Speedrunning is not a bad thing, as long as all the players in the group are able to handle it.
Room-1 farming is a terrible thing.

So they nerfed a 20% faster way that caused barely any stress or lag to the server. So now we will have hundreds of people instead fighting for fates! YEAH!

[Garlyle]

Well, now instead of helping my friends do dungeons because I know they are worth good experience. I will tell them to go run fates instead. I will also refuse to group with them because they are a waste of time

Have you been reading? Dungeons are still worth the exact same amount of experience they always were. Which is to say worth a hell of a lot more than FATEs.

Also shows how much of a 'friend' you are if you're not willing to help someone out because it isn't your personal Most Efficient Option.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Have you been reading? Dungeons are still worth the exact same amount of experience they always were. Which is to say worth a hell of a lot more than FATEs.

Also shows how much of a 'friend' you are if you're not willing to help someone out because it isn't your personal Most Efficient Option.

Its about the EPM. It is much easier to do fates then to do dungeons, especially chain fates. Which are 5 minutes and worth more then an entire duty finger which can take up to an hour.

[Viridiana]

Well, now instead of helping my friends do dungeons because I know they are worth good experience. I will tell them to go run fates instead.

It's the same XP/Time that it is now. What's hard to comprehend about this? In fact, if you're skipping any trash at all in those dungeons, you now get more exp. You know those side rooms no one does in DD, or the mobs everyone skips in AV first room? I guarantee you that the mobs there are having their XP added to the boss the same as all the others. You're dumb if you think this is a nerf to full clear XP. The only thing being changed, and quite understandably, is "DD first room spam" groups.

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So you'd rather be a jerk and not help your friends.. interesting.

This isn't new. OP also said he'd lie to his friends point blank about how many MSQ quests there are to get into HW content.

[lydiah]

No, I just dislike stupid development decisions. People don't learn from Guild Wars 2's Failures. I hate "speed clearing" I want monsters to be worth experience and give loot. I want to kill the entire dungeon. However it seems people don't want that.

Mobs inside dungeons have way more health then mobs outside, and the same experience? That makes them useless, their entire existence is meant to be skipped now.

The way you have been trash talking the game and especially the new expansion on the forums I'd say you dislike the game period. While I'Lm on the topic of it, if you don't like the way the game is being developped why do you keep playing? Vote with your money, be an adult about it and stop complaining like a spoiled brat and just quit. Leave the rest of us who enjoy the game as it is play and read the forums without seeing you bitch and moan every 5 mins.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

The way you have been trash talking the game and especially the new expansion on the forums I'd say you dislike the game period. While I'Lm on the topic of it, if you don't like the way the game is being developped why do you keep playing? Vote with your money, be an adult about it and stop complaining like a spoiled brat and just quit. Leave the rest of us who enjoy the game as it is play and read the forums without seeing you bitch and moan every 5 mins.

Yet, the Japanese forums stated the same issue I have and the developers are trying to take care of it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...98%E8%81%B7%29

I am not saying the game is terrible. I am suggesting changes to make it a better game, if I can't speak my mind about things what is the point of a forum to begin with? NOTHING is perfect, Developers are NOT perfect. They are people just like you and I.

[Squrilruler]

Yet, the Japanese forums stated the same issue I have and the developers are trying to take care of it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...98%E8%81%B7%29

I am not saying the game is terrible. I am suggesting changes to make it a better game, if I can't speak my mind about things what is the point of a forum to begin with? NOTHING is perfect, Developers are NOT perfect. They are people just like you and I.

You're OP was figuratively "they are now worthless". There was not a single drop of constructive criticism or suggestive changes. Literally just whining. That is why you are getting this backlash.

[Eidolon]

a better change would've been to just up Boss EXP for dungouns. Don't also in the same hand nerf the mob kills because then it just means we're going to go back to not running the dungouns at all for exp/leveling

This is a huge dissuasion for tanks who want to level via dungouns, in my opinion. I doubt the EXP for bosses will be big enough to compensate for -all- the mobs they're reducing, and I feel like SE made a huge mistake with this one.

And, as a side note, yea, I like first room runs with a pre-made PF. I don't understand this knee-jerk reaction.