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  1. #31
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    melflomil's Avatar
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    Hazel Mimelia
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Toba View Post
    Certain attributes no longer affect parry or block.

    === Testing
    Strength has no effect on Block and Parry strength now.
    Using Aegis Zeta, Block was consistent 30% and Parry 20%.

    This is down on 4-6% depending on the strength gear that was equipped before as well as the party composition.

    This equates to about 40-60 damage more damage taken on 1k hits.

    I have metrics for Dex, but it due to changes in gear since I made them, I don't know if I will be able to reproduce.
    aww that sucks
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  2. #32
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    MythToken's Avatar
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    Iam Groot
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Toba View Post
    Certain attributes no longer affect parry or block.

    === Testing
    Strength has no effect on Block and Parry strength now.
    Using Aegis Zeta, Block was consistent 30% and Parry 20%.

    This is down on 4-6% depending on the strength gear that was equipped before as well as the party composition.

    This equates to about 40-60 damage more damage taken on 1k hits.

    I have metrics for Dex, but it due to changes in gear since I made them, I don't know if I will be able to reproduce.
    Are you sure this is accurate, doesn't the tooltip still say STR affects block and parry?
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  3. #33
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    Sir Taint
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 50
    DET maybe have had the potency reduced but they are giving it to us in great quantities. They just effectively made the secondary's equal in value as apposed to everyone focusing on DET.


    Hive Battleaxe
    Physical Damage 72
    Magical Damage 50
    Auto-attack 80.64
    Delay 3.36
    DPS 21.429
    Strength 92
    Vitality 94
    Determination 80
    Parry 58
    Item Level 190
    Level 60
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    MRD, WAR
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    1
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    Last edited by SirTaint; 06-20-2015 at 04:28 AM.

  4. #34
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Considering that we were given the second most powerful DoT combo, skillspeed can be far higher in our stat priority, now
    DoTs scaling on skillspeed isn't going to make PLD want it any more. The only thing PLD has to conserve TP is Shield Swipe, and that's not enough. More skillspeed just means you'll run out of TP faster.
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  5. #35
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    ColdestHeaven's Avatar
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    Seyrleen Cinderbraid
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    Are you sure this is accurate, doesn't the tooltip still say STR affects block and parry?
    I can confirm this. My Dragoon used to be able to mitigate 30% on parry, now it can only mitigate 20% - same as other tanks I have asked. Tooltips were not updated at all, sadly.
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  6. #36
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    Sapphidia's Avatar
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    Sapphidia Wulfhaven
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    From what I've seen and casually tested:

    Parry seems to be 20% damage mitigated, ALWAYS, regardless of strength, weapon or level.

    Block does vary but seems to be a function of your shield's Block Value vs your Level. Strength does not affect it. My Aegis Zeta was blocking 25% damage at level 51 and as soon as I dinged 52 it started blocking 24%.

    So I think we can probably assume that the only thing that affects your Blocking is the rate/value on your shield relative to your level, and the only thing that affects parry is your Parry stat which only affects the Rate. This basically slightly diminishes the power of a Strength tanking build relative to pure Vit (though not enough to stop you going full Strength when you're geared). It also probably means that Tower Shields will become by far the best shield option now that Sheltron is in the game.

    As for whether Dex still affects the change to block + parry, I'd -doubt- it but we we wont know with testing.
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  7. #37
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    Are you sure this is accurate, doesn't the tooltip still say STR affects block and parry?
    The Japanese tooltip on STR say it affects melee attack power of <a list of weapon types>. No mention of parry nor block in the STR tooltip.
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  8. #38
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    Jugem Mumei
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 37
    Quote Originally Posted by melflomil View Post
    aww that sucks
    In a STR build I block for 1% more than I do in my melds, which is pretty much the same as before the change (btw. I am blocking for between 24% and 27% in Aegis Shield, not 30% so something else is off). It just seems everything was reduced about 10% across the board.

    Parry is always 20% for me.
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    Last edited by eagledorf; 06-21-2015 at 05:32 AM.

  9. #39
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    Toba's Avatar
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    Toba Da'great
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    I can confirm the same that there seems to be some function of (player level / mob level) affecting block. I have seen more variation, especially when fighting the larger bosses.
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  10. #40
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    DoTs scaling on skillspeed isn't going to make PLD want it any more. The only thing PLD has to conserve TP is Shield Swipe, and that's not enough. More skillspeed just means you'll run out of TP faster.
    We need testing on the new enmity boost of Shield Swipe. If you can spam it during your Bulwark duration or every Sheltron proc withtout losing aggro, you could save a lot of TP in the long run.
    Besides, we can hope that damage scales better than GCD, so we could do far more damage without starving too early.
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