Stats adjustments

[Sapphidia]

Say goodbye, Sword Oath !

Remember Sword Oath doesnt technically boost the damage of autoattacks, it adds a 50 potency "skill" that activates every time an auto attack connects - you can actually see two damage numbers come up each time you auto in Sword Oath.

I'd wager the Det nerf wont negatively impact the 50 potency hits that Sword Oath adds, just the autos they're attached to.

[Reynhart]

Remember Sword Oath doesnt technically boost the damage of autoattacks, it adds a 50 potency "skill" that activates every time an auto attack connects - you can actually see two damage numbers come up each time you auto in Sword Oath.

I'd wager the Det nerf wont negatively impact the 50 potency hits that Sword Oath adds, just the autos they're attached to.

I believe the additionnal hit is considered an auto-attack. I don't think we have any skill that only procs on auto-attack/weapon skill to prove it, though.

However, now that Critical increase damage dealt, maybe its overall effect will be increased, since we have 2 hits that can crit each time. I hope it won't be a diminishing return.

[ZDamned]

Auto-Attack is a large amount of your DPS. The Det nurf is huge... Unless..
Due to this re-balance, I'm curious if the value of Determination on gear will be increased as well to compensate? putting it on par with SS/CritRate in terms of amount allotted per ilvl?
The Crit Buff is very likely to make Bard/Machenist extra powerful too, so that's another interesting aspect. Bard keeps 2 DOT's up 100% of the time, and relies on heavy crit chance already.

As for tanking, I think this buff heavily places warrior into the high DPS tank spot, it makes me curious what Dark Knight actually gains from it's stances.

[Magistrella]

That's how it is:

We get higher values of stats at 60, stats need to be rebalanced.

Imagine having 800 det at 60 - as it currently is it would be a beast to leave the potency like this.
Speed is getting changed so its not as useless as it was before and it will make a really nice stat to have even for smns who gained like 0.040 on one speedpoint before
Crit is revalued to make it more reliable. Before you could stack it and hope you'd get lucky with that 27% critchance - now youll see an increase in dmg too which makes it more valueable.

Overall its nice changes - really nice changes if you play a big hitting class like BLM ;3

[PROBOUND]

#RIP PLD Deeps

[Gildarts]

with info out about jobs, war got even better DPS wise, deliverance give 5% dmg increase and each stack is 2% crit rate

Equilibrium give 200 TP under DPS stance and the recast is 60 sec

Fall Cleave have a 500 potency attack

really good, sadly wont be able to play it much T o T; ;

ps; fu quari

[Sapphidia]

Yeah I think the worst case scenario for Sword Oath (where Det stops affecting it) is simply that Paladins will switch to stacking Crit rather than Det if they want to max out their DPS (or heck, even skill speed, we don't know the numbers yet). The DPS numbers of the new paladin skills look so good that I'm sure our overall damage wont be non-competitive, it just might mean we don't view Determination as the only secondary stat worth stacking now.

Let's face it, in 2.0 Skillspeed, Parry and even Crit were pretty much worthless to a paladin in the grand scheme. Det and Acc were all you wanted, and Crit was a tiny boost that was "better than the alternatives". Hopefully the changes will make gearing more interesting so Crit, Skillspeed and Det all have similar effects on our DPS so those terrible Skillspeed/Acc tanking items wont feel so awful.

(Still hoping Parry becomes a viable stat to stack though, much as I entered into the "stack DPS stats" philosophy in 2.0 I'd much rather be able to gear up to be an immovable wall in 3.0).

[Reynhart]

Yeah I think the worst case scenario for Sword Oath (where Det stops affecting it) is simply that Paladins will switch to stacking Crit rather than Det if they want to max out their DPS (or heck, even skill speed, we don't know the numbers yet).

Considering that we were given the second most powerful DoT combo, skillspeed can be far higher in our stat priority, now

[Toba]

Certain attributes no longer affect parry or block.

=== Testing
Strength has no effect on Block and Parry strength now.
Using Aegis Zeta, Block was consistent 30% and Parry 20%.

This is down on 4-6% depending on the strength gear that was equipped before as well as the party composition.

This equates to about 40-60 damage more damage taken on 1k hits.

I have metrics for Dex, but it due to changes in gear since I made them, I don't know if I will be able to reproduce.

[melflomil]

Certain attributes no longer affect parry or block.

=== Testing
Strength has no effect on Block and Parry strength now.
Using Aegis Zeta, Block was consistent 30% and Parry 20%.

This is down on 4-6% depending on the strength gear that was equipped before as well as the party composition.

This equates to about 40-60 damage more damage taken on 1k hits.

I have metrics for Dex, but it due to changes in gear since I made them, I don't know if I will be able to reproduce.

aww that sucks