Pay for your inventory.

[Pandan_1]

And that is why you clear out the old stuff to get room for the new.

Why are people content with this foul treatment.
Why.

Gaming is dying. Denying that having more Ventures/Market Board slots/and inventory is literally pay2win is just crazy to me. And the sane few of us apparently.

[Lewtskie]

I really do not understand people defending this change.

Explain exactly what is being 'changed' in regards to the inventory and retainer system. I want to know if you're actually paying attention to the topic or just rambling thinking you're gonna lay down some mad truth.

Why are people happy about a service that should be in the game by default?

Maybe you can instead explain what service people are being denied. Is it retainers? Cause those do exist in the game already. No one is being denied a retainer.

Denying that having more Ventures/Market Board slots/and inventory is literally pay2win is just crazy to me

I challenged another person claiming this shit before, still haven't gotten an answer. Maybe you and your mad words of truth can do it instead? Explain how exactly you're winning more when you spend more money on storage space.

More of some odd chance of getting some piece of gear from actual content through ventures? Or a rare minion? Do minions change the difficulty?

Is it the Market presence? Does having more gold than someone else make you stronger? Can you buy something that no one else can have?

Maybe gaming is doomed to die after all.

/sigh Should I even bother to expect you to attempt to explain this one?

[Pandan_1]

-snip-

I'll indulge you, since you like playing dumb.

1. Ventures
Having more active Ventures means more income, more materials, and more items. (Possibly rare ones in fact)

2. Market Board presence
More active items sold (20 is the maximum per retainer, 2 retainers allowed for free curently) Allows more market board control.

3. Inventory
Something you normally ONLY see in Free2Play MMOs is the ability to buy more bag slots or inventory with real money. But now that Square is double dipping even further, we get the best of both worlds.
Instead of fixing the root problem of inventory, Square has obviously seen a demand for more Inventory, and instead of solving the inherent issue, they've decided to nickle&dime us even further if possible.

Having more of any of those is having more power in the game world.

Speaking against any foul practice should be the right of any consumer. As it is mine also.

[Evergrey]

I'll indulge you, since you like playing dumb.

1. Ventures
Having more active Ventures means more income, more materials, and more items. (Possibly rare ones in fact) -Doesn't effect me as a player = No P2W

2. Market Board presence
More active items sold (20 is the maximum per retainer, 2 retainers allowed for free curently) Allows more market board control. -Doesn't effect me as a player = No P2W

3. Inventory
Something you normally ONLY see in Free2Play MMOs is the ability to buy more bag slots or inventory with real money. But now that Square is double dipping even further, we get the best of both worlds.
Instead of fixing the root problem of inventory, Square has obviously seen a demand for more Inventory, and instead of solving the inherent issue, they've decided to nickle&dime us even further if possible. -How does all the extra stuff you have effect me? = No P2W

Having more of any of those is having more power in the game world. -There are already thousands of players with more GIL, Stuff, board presence than me and it didn't win them anything that I could'nt have = No P2W

Speaking against any foul practice should be the right of any consumer. As it is mine also.

"In some multiplayer free-to-play games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...t=no#Criticism

I'm not saying that people should shut up about having no space to store stuff, I am just saying that it is not a P2W feature.

[Pandan_1]

"In some multiplayer free-to-play games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...t=no#Criticism

I'm going to throw up.

[Evergrey]

I'm going to throw up.

I see you can't handle the truth. jk

See of it more as a Pay 4 Convenience.

[polyphonica]

See of it more as a Pay 4 Convenience.

Well, the only difference really is convenience. Anyone has always been able to get a second service account, and then they can trade things between their alts, each alt can have their 2 free retainers, and so on. It's everything the optional retainer service does... just moderately more annoying to do (and moderately more expensive). People just never really considered that before because it wasn't something that was really pushed or discussed, and most people won't think of having multiple subscriptions for the same game. Likewise, you could create 7 alts and use an FC bank to exchange items between them, thus gaining 16 retainers per server in one single subscription... but again, it's less convenient. Most people won't think of that either because it'd mean not being in a real FC, and constantly swapping between characters. But if there really were a big in-game economic advantage to having so many retainers, then savvy market players have surely been doing this all along and just not advertising it.

Basically, this change takes something that was previously reserved for the super-dedicated and makes it more accessible, increasing the potential for more people to do it (and thus the potential for S-E to make more money from it, of course). But you can't buy a bigger advantage than you could already have or buy before, they've just reduced the effort involved.

[Lewtskie]

I'll indulge you, since you like playing dumb.

1. Ventures
Having more active Ventures means more income, more materials, and more items. (Possibly rare ones in fact)

So leveling all of those retainers to max level, and then outfitting each and every one of them with gear of enough quality to actually be useful. Are they all going to be different classes? Cause they can't all wear the same piece of gear. That would take quite a bit of farming for dungeons, raids, or materials to craft to suit each and every on of them up. And what if you don't have all the jobs at max? You'd need to level those too. That's more time. But given all the time and effort, you can now send them all on ventures.

Are we looking to send them all on Quick ventures or hunting? Oh sure, having 8 retainers on a quick venture could still have a very incredibly small chance to get you something shiny. Then again, they could all bring back clams and copper rings. Probably in that time you can join a coil farm pt and if you're skilled enough and not a chode then you can easily get what you'd want to perform better. That's what the point is about right? I mean, shiny furniture or a rare minion isn't gonna make you stronger, and I guess if you were on the XIV edition of Cribs would you have an advantage.

Or how about hunting then? Sending them all out to acquire the same material. Of course, they don't always get you HQ. But it's like you could take all the time it took to gear every retainer you had up and instead gear yourself to perfection. That way you could have easily farmed anywhere with really good chance of full HQ stockpile.

2. Market Board presence
More active items sold (20 is the maximum per retainer, 2 retainers allowed for free curently) Allows more market board control.

So we're talking about control. Having all these retainers, that people need to pay for, let's them have more control. Now, what everyone here has been wanting is to letting ALL OF US have the same number of retainers. So that means all of us would have all the necessary retainers to hold all that control, yeah? Is that really the preferred outcome? Market Boards flooded with people who overprice, people who screw over an entire material with mass undercutting. Our economy would totally be safe from market saturation. We definitely win more that way right? Oh man, and that problem with the hundreds of gil bots holding control. Can you imagine if they all had max retainers for free? That'd be a sight.


"Pay To Win AKA P2W. when you are paying for advantage which normal players don't have access to unless they either pay too or will have to grind very long (weeks and months)."

So, spending weeks, if not months, leveling and gearing up all those retainers. The same time frame you can gear yourself to do just as much if not more (probably more).

And slowly playing the market game. May earn quick fortune, so long as you don't have undercutters at every turn, or negative economy spikes.

[Ashkendor]

Gaming is dying.

I don't even really have a dog in this fight, but lol seriously where did this even come from?

Hyperbole much? o.O