Pay for your inventory.

[Rath]

What you call Hoarding is actually called Collecting and Completing, 2 fundamental parts of every and each RPG or MMORPG. If the game fails to give proper room for this activities without charging for them, is nothing more than just P2W. Not to mention, retainers are more than just inventory, as such 4 star crafter you are, you should understand how abusable would be to have up to 8 retainers to farm shards and to play markets. That would be absolutely insane P2W, right away.

More considering how buying raid runs and such are such a common activity, this is called P2W here and in china, it would be ok if this was a F2P game, but it isn`t.



And of course you are.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...890.1433120936

You realize that people have multiple characters and can choose which to show on lodestone so people like you can look them up and not stalk them right? right?
See, now all your see is an alt created during beta when I could not log into the NA servers.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

What you call Hoarding is actually called Collecting and Completing, 2 fundamental parts of every and each RPG or MMORPG. If the game fails to give proper room for this activities without charging for them, is nothing more than just P2W. Not to mention, retainers are more than just inventory, as such 4 star crafter you are, you should understand how abusable would be to have up to 8 retainers to farm shards and to play markets. That would be absolutely insane P2W, right away.

More considering how buying raid runs and such are such a common activity, this is called P2W here and in china, it would be ok if this was a F2P game, but it isn`t.

Main body of the post, or, what the post says and is about.

And of course you are.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1492154/

A little insignificant extra that many people, with a serious reading issues would think is the post about.

[Callinon]

So here it is and this is the last thing I intend to say on this subject.

Whether you think charging customers a subscription fee for bank space is fair or not is irrelevant. Whether you think the price is too high or not is irrelevant. Whether you think people can "like it or leave" is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that this is an unprecedented move on the part of Square Enix. Final Fantasy XI made you pay for character slots, not inventory slots. FFXIV does much the same thing with its two-tiered sub structure, but with the notable difference that creating mules is functionally impossible (or at least impractical).

Charging a subscription fee for bank space is an unprecedented move not just for a subscription MMO, but for any MMO as far as I know. And a scaling subscription fee at that. This type of fee opens the door to charging subscription fees for other in-game upgrades that are and have been free for the entire history of MMOs. This is extremely dangerous for the health of the MMO market.

Imagine please, SE asking you for $2/month extra per expansion in addition to charging you the box price. Imagine please, SE asking you for $1/month extra for an additional race to be unlocked on your account. Imagine please, SE asking you for an extra $3/month for your player housing.

The exact numbers here are just as irrelevant as the retainer price, but I trust you can see where I'm going with this. I realize this sounds like a slippery slope argument and it is. But there's a reason for that. This is, IN FACT, a slippery slope. Allowing increased subscription fees for something that has NEVER cost extra money EVER in a subscription game opens the door to all sorts of awful eventualities that I can't even foresee right now.

I'm not saying this one thing is the doom of all mankind. I am saying that this is an extremely dangerous move and if SE is allowed to get away with it, we can't even know what the end result will be.

Buy it. Don't buy it. That's up to everyone here individually. But I'm telling you this is a dangerous road we're on.

[Silverbane]

What is relevant is that this is an unprecedented move on the part of Square Enix. Final Fantasy XI made you pay for character slots, not inventory slots. ...
Charging a subscription fee for bank space is an unprecedented move not just for a subscription MMO, but for any MMO as far as I know. (emphasis added)

You DO know that you've been able to pay $2/mo for each of two additional retainers for quite some time now, right? I've been paying an extra $4/mo for two more retainers ever since I discovered the option to do so in February, and I don't think it was new then.

They are just increasing the number of extra retainers you can subscribe to from 2 to 6, is all. Nothing new, just more of what we had before.

[VoltaAsura]

I just don't see why people can't see that this is obviously pay to win?

Do you have to get better gear, stats or a content clear for it to be considered P2W? I don't think so, but a good bit of you seem to think that is the case for anything considered P2W.

More people should be concerned about changes like this because if you tolerate them, they will continue to walk this fine line until something you want or desire is behind a paywall.

I put this in my last post, but we said it then. I'll say it now. What is next?

We pay a sub to play. We shouldn't have to pay for anything else. ALSO had I known of this 1 change prior to purchasing HW - I would not have bought it.

Criticize me if you will for the sentence above, but its not fair that someone who is willing to fork over more money a month gets more inventory space, ventures and selling slots than I do. It's ridiculously unfair...and about as close to P2W as SE has come thus far with FFXIV.

[Lewtskie]

I just don't see why people can't see that this is obviously pay to win?

Do you have to get better gear, stats or a content clear for it to be considered P2W? I don't think so, but a good bit of you seem to think that is the case for anything considered P2W.

Because that is near-literally the definition of paying to win. You are paying money to increase your rate of progression and getting an edge on any challenge towards killing something which is essentially what 'winning' is in a MMO.

Retainers aren't giving you an edge in clearing Coil. Nor do they make progressing through quests any faster, same with leveling.

Having Sleipner as a mount doesn't make you do more damage, except to maybe someone's ego or whatever.

You can't have extra minions join you in fights and kill things.

You are paying for a convenience. Not something you need and not something that will make you better.

[Zumi]

Bank space is charged for in f2p mmos all the time this really isn't something new for mmos. SE wants to make more money with retainers, they even said they wanted to charge for them way back in 1.0 so it probably is fine.

[hagare]

Bank space is charged for in f2p mmos all the time this really isn't something new for mmos. SE wants to make more money with retainers, they even said they wanted to charge for them way back in 1.0 so it probably is fine.

FF14 is an F2P now o.O

[Edellis]

seeing how they're trying to move crafting jobs towards more specialized roles instead of omincrafting, i can't really be angry at this. The only reason my current 2 retainers are full is because i stockpile crap for other crafting jobs, most of which i dont even use.

[Chukkaque]

Well my two retainers are basically empty and my normal inventory is basically empty as well. At least they provided an option for people.