Preliminary patch notes up.

[Edellis]

Black mage new skills, all of them require a Blm to move less then ever before and give huge penalty for moving, they better be restoring man a wall to its former glory or blm will die.

...that's a bit extreme, dont you think?


Only thing that really bothered me was the removal of EXP from unsynced dungeon play, but since the bosses still give EXP i guess it's not so bad. It would have been a bit silly to let a lv 60 BLM into darkhold as-is.


Most excited however, was the mention of some of the skills changing. Flare was on the list for BLM. I was really wondering how they were going to keep it viable in light of Enochain, since a 100% MP cost would mean nobody would ever use it past lv 50.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I don't mean to be rude, but are you serious? It's literally written in the patch notes.
The other new ones are listened in the High Level Roulette.

Please show me where Expert Roulette literally lists two specific dungeons. You can't, because all it shows is a series of question marks. So, yes I'm serious. Again, why on earth would they bring out 8 brand new dungeons, and put 2 of them in roulette and leave the other 6 out?

[Verdan]

Please show me where Expert Roulette literally lists two specific dungeons. You can't, because all it shows is a series of question marks. So, yes I'm serious. Again, why on earth would they bring out 8 brand new dungeons, and put 2 of them in roulette and leave the other 6 out?

Expert is the hardest dungeons, not all dungeons.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Expert is the hardest dungeons, not all dungeons.

You all are right. We know, without a doubt (based on question marks), that only 2 dungeons will be in expert roulette. Slow clap for you all.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

It's possible that it's 2 dungeons because there's only 2 lines of of question marks. Don't forget too that 2.0 also only had 2 "expert" dungeons (WP and AK) at the time before more dungeons were made since both of those dungeons could only be done at the then level cap of 50.

[bettomendes]

why on earth would they bring out 8 brand new dungeons, and put 2 of them in roulette and leave the other 6 out?

Because the other 6 are leveling dungeons.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Because the other 6 are leveling dungeons.

I guess that makes sense if that is how they did it when 2.0 first came out. I didn't join until the following January, and by that time there were far more than 2 dungeons in expert. Not to mention the fact that every time they add new dungeons (in more recent patches) they've all been included.

Oh well, whatever happens, happens I guess.

[Pluvia]

for ninjas in the thread we have some info from people at E3


Aeolian Edge: Now only applies full potency from rear. (320 rear, 280 back)
Smoke Screen: Reduces target's current enmity. Didn't actually use it, but seems straightforward.
Armor Crush: Combos after Gust Slash. Deals full potency from flank, less from rear. Extends Huton duration by 30 sec (max 70).
Shadewalker: Reduces target's enmity gain by 80% for about ten seconds. Does not work on tanks (I tried).
Duality: Your next attack hits twice. Couldn't really tell if it was working or not.
Dream Within a Dream: OGCD attack with a 90s CD.

[JayCommon]

Wait, where you getting there will only be 2 dungeons in expert roulette? The expansion is starting out with 8 new dungeons. Why are you thinking that only 2 of them are included in expert?

Likely due to the 2 ??? in the patch notes. It's a bit misleading if you ask me.

I think that people are reading into that way too much. Why on earth would they add 8 new dungeons, but only put 2 of them into the roulette?

No, they are likely reading into exactly as it is meant to be seen. There almost definitely will be only 2 dungeons that qualify for the expert roulette for the beginning of 3.0


When 2.0 started, you could literally only get tomestones from 2 dungeons. Amdapor Keep and Castrum Meridianum. I'm not 100% on if Wanderer's Palace actually did offer them right at the beginning (I think it didn't), but I know if they did the amount was so paltry that people just didn't run it. Then when WP got tomes (or existing tome counts increased to match AK) a little later, speed run WP's were the new thing.

There will be 8 dungeons on release of HW. 6 of them will probably be sub-60 and used for story-telling/leveling purposes.

They also specifically stated the only reason we got 3 dungeons per patch in the 2.x cycle was because 2 of them were always a "Hard mode" variant of an existing dungeon, where some or all of the layout had already been implemented in 1.0 and was just re-purposed to work in this game. They have nothing left to "Hard Mode", so it would be reasonable to not expect 3 new dungeons per patch in 3.x also. Maybe 2 is what we will get.


I mean a lot of what we had now was non-existent in August of 2013. Hell, all the way to December 2013 we didn't have much. Turn 5 twister mechanic was largely broken for months, nerfbats slapped the shit out of a few jobs (BRD/SMN speed runs were INSANE in 2.0) and we capped tomes from 1 dungeon every week, because AK was the only thing that offered anything worthwhile. Unless you still need Philosophy tomes. We didn't even have Extreme primals!! Even though, back then people were having a hard enough time on Titan HM I guess most of the playerbase didn't need them yet...

But I wouldn't dread the fact that there are only 2 expert roulette dungeons. Believe it or not, there are actually many other ways in the game to cap your tomes. I haven't run an expert roulette because I needed to in over half a year.

Don't forget too that 2.0 also only had 2 "expert" dungeons (WP and AK) at the time before more dungeons were made since both of those dungeons could only be done at the then level cap of 50.

Still not 100% on WP offering tomes right at 2.0 release. They got them before 2.1 (I believe in the same .x5 patch that nerfed my Bard) but for a solid 1 1/2-2 months no one ran WP because it didnt have tomes(?) or they were just substantially less than AK. Either way, this game has come a long way since then, and even though there is only presumably 2 dungeons in Expert roulette, I am confident that SE is expanding on the myriad of other ways you can get tomestones in this game and we will still have a good variety of options.

[Omegakiyohime]

Black mage new skills, all of them require a Blm to move less then ever before and give huge penalty for moving, they better be restoring man a wall to its former glory or blm will die.

What? How are you blm'ing? Maybe you were moving a bit too much before if standing in place comes as such a lost to you. If you were moving for anything other than dodging a mechanic that couldn't be eaten by wall/ward, then you were doing it wrong. Standing in one spot and casting is literally all the job does.