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[Spoekes]

I was under the impression that everyones parser will count out overhealing from HP/S and total healing done

[tjw]

I was under the impression that everyones parser will count out overhealing from HP/S and total healing done

I'm not too familiar with parsers, but the ones I've seen show total HPS (including overhealing) and then overhealing %.

[mp-please]

I was under the impression that everyones parser will count out overhealing from HP/S and total healing done

It doesn't, also every HoT counts as overhealing for some reason even if the target isn't at full hp. Which makes hps a complete useless "stat" when it comes to measure healer performance since one can just sit on the corner and spam heal on themselves to get a huge amount of hps.

[Spoekes]

It doesn't, also every HoT counts as overhealing for some reason even if the target isn't at full hp. Which makes hps a complete useless "stat" when it comes to measure healer performance since one can just sit on the corner and spam heal on themselves to get a huge amount of hps.

I just tested both A.C.T and FFXIVAPP. Both count hots only as overheal if its really overheal (correct), at least for myself.

It's actually not fishy. We both we're sitting at 1.2K HPS while doing T13 progression at pretty close to i130. We both had 60% over heal because the fight was new to both of us at the time and we were both treating it like we were solo healing until we could find the natural synergies between us and determine where and when we could heal. Once we got over that initial hump and I made the switch to Selene since I knew my WHM could handle most of the AoE heals himself, we got our combined HPS down to 1.6K to 1.7K (SCH = 500, WHM = 1.1-1.2K) and our total overheal down to about 30%-40% (depending on how much accidental damage our DPS took).

With that being said, I don't know the nuances of the parser and what it can and cannot pick up with HPS as, well, I also understand HPS is a very tricky stat in terms of gauging any sort of performance. Instead, we used it as a means to find where we can find efficiencies and tune our heals according.

What frightens me, and as I've mentioned before, HPS isn't a way to determine a person's skill - it's a way to determine a healer's healing potential. I should never, ever, have ever been able to, as a SCH, match the healing potential of a WHM who slightly over gears me. If that's a flaw with the parser in question - I can accept that and move on happily. If that's not a flaw with the parser, then I think we need to rethink the balance of between a WHM and a SCH. Of course I would prefer it to be the former than the latter and be proven wrong entirely. I'm just basing my opinion on the observations I've seen with my own group.

My tests with the parsers show otherwise about HP/S and overhealing.
I only seem get those numbers if I "overuse" succor and I suspect the shields may be the reason. Maybe you use another parser unknown to me but I still doubt your conclusion about WHM vs. SCH HP/S

[mp-please]

I just tested both A.C.T and FFXIVAPP. Both count hots only as overheal if its really overheal (correct), at least for myself.

Went ahead and tried it myself and it's correct, they actually fixed. Like 2 months ago every single HoT from regen and medica II would count as overheal.

[Risvertasashi]

It doesn't, also every HoT counts as overhealing for some reason even if the target isn't at full hp. Which makes hps a complete useless "stat" when it comes to measure healer performance since one can just sit on the corner and spam heal on themselves to get a huge amount of hps.

Every HoT as overhealing isn't quite correct, but I agree with the rest of your post. On a parser, encounter hps is a useless stat. It's not even like DPS, where more is necessarily better. HoTs do inflate it as well, but that's true for both jobs. Gishlain's stat of about 1.2k... That's close to what my group gets. But, again, it's not a meaningful number.