What's up with the defeatist attitude ?

[aerolol]

The way I see it is that some people have farmed whatever duty so much before echo existed for this duty that they strongly believe echo is not needed at all for the completion of the duty (and... they are usually right!!)

So if the DF party wiped 2-3 times, meaning they already had around 10% echo, and it was still a fail, some people lose hope.

Point is... echo is not needed, it helps a little but it's not needed.
Knowing and reacting to mechanics is needed. So if you have that BRD or DRG getting killed (or worse.. killing other players) by every mechanic, then there is probably very little hope for a win...
And ppl disband.

About the 30min penalty...
You can go craft, you can go level up your chocobo, you can queue for PvP content (if your lock is due to PvE content), you can afk and do something irl,...

That said I usually stick around a whole lot more than 2 wipes, but I feel VERY SAD when I see people in full lv130 gear wiping to Titan EX because wecan't kill the heart fast enough since the BRD and DRG were Landslided into the pit, and they think it's totally ok for them to be down there before heart phase.