How would you feel about end-game gear only being useful for 3 months?

[Visch]

Oh there's plenty of motivation. I suppose you seem to think that motivation is some sort of universal truth among everyone. What one person finds motivating can be simply irrelevant to another.

And? What is the motivation? To not be good at the game and enjoy it?

PLEASE tell me ANY reason to try to be the 1st to beat new content? To waste time and effort because everyone is just going to get it easier later?

Clearly you've made some nice projections as to how this game may be after 1.19, and you are not fond of it. Provided you have such clarity as to what motivates you, why don't you have the resolve to so simply move on?

Aren't you so cute trying to be condescending with your blue text.

Oh, wait. If someone doesn't agree with you they must be wrong, a bad player, and/or unworthy of an opinion.

Get over yourself.

So you're going to try and act like your personal attacks and justified and mine aren't?

I've got no respect for people who resort to bringing up the character ranks they see in others when they have no legitimate response.

You think it's right that someone who doesn't play the game to throw around their opinion over stuff they have no idea about to someone who does?

That's like going to another country and voting in their election.

You did this repeatedly in your own thread Visch. It got locked.

Yeah because of people like you crying.

I repeat: where is it even implied, without quite a stretch of imagination, that gear introduced by new content will make the previous content's gear garbage/useless/obsolete?

We've been getting patches of content for rank 50 players for months now. New content still hasn't 100% taken over gear from old content. Yoshi didn't say that would be the case for the future either. Where are people getting this idea that that's going to happen?

It doesn't mater if the gear can still be viably used. It's not even worth the effort to obtain it UNTIL the content is nerffed.

[Visch]

Yup, I was prepared for that. You can't take the heat, so you resort to ad hominem attacks and ignoring my points.

I don't know how much easier it is to explain. You're so caught up in someone being better then you.

1) You don't play the game. So why do you even care?

2) THERE IS NO "CHALLENGING CONTENT". Once people like Doctor Mog open their mouth and baby step everyone through it with youtube videos, everything becomes easy. It is a natural process. Content needs to be developed to LAST and still be worth doing.

3) I care about having a reason to play the game. Long term motivation to log in and continue playing and paying SE. If the game is just going to routinely de-valve items by nuffing content there is no motivation to do it until it is nuffed.

[NoctisUmbra]

2) THERE IS NO "CHALLENGING CONTENT". Once people like Doctor Mog open their mouth and baby step everyone through it with youtube videos, everything becomes easy. It is a natural process. Content needs to be developed to LAST and still be worth doing.

You really seem to believe you know your stuff. It's natural for some people in the community to chose to share their success strategies with everyone else. If you don't like it, then tough. Look the other way.

If, however, you have an idea to make content last incredibly long despite community pioneers sharing their strategies then I'm all ears.

Don't even bother bringing up some half-baked long cooldowns and 24 hour spawns crap though.

[Wolfie]

I don't know how much easier it is to explain. You're so caught up in someone being better then you.

1) You don't play the game. So why do you even care?

2) THERE IS NO "CHALLENGING CONTENT". Once people like Doctor Mog open their mouth and baby step everyone through it with youtube videos, everything becomes easy. It is a natural process. Content needs to be developed to LAST and still be worth doing.

3) I care about having a reason to play the game. Long term motivation to log in and continue playing and paying SE. If the game is just going to routinely de-valve items by nuffing content there is no motivation to do it until it is nuffed.

Your motivation to keep playing the game is that you need to prepare for the next tier of content and fully explore the current one. You get a continuous stream of content, at a pace that the devs control to coincide right about when you've exhausted the current tier of content. It's something other MMOs have been doing for a very, very long time and it's been working just fine for them.

You're splitting hairs because you've pulled numbers from thin air. Nowhere did Yoshida say that it was going to take only a week or two for players to finish the content after it's released. Actually, it's entirely possible that he can make the content last just long enough so that by the time the newest tier comes out, the majority of serious players have just "completed" the current tier, or maybe they're even a bit behind.

Artificially inflating content length by adding in stupid grinds, time restrictions, and other obstacles that don't involve the players actively playing or getting the content is stupid when the devs have the ability to make a constant cycle with obsolescence/new release. The core of the game and the diehard fanboys will play any content as long as it's relevant, even if it's changing every X months. The players less attached to the game will not play the same content for a year or two straight, even if they haven't "completed" it.

The cycle of obsolescence/new releases also makes it much, much easier for newer players to catch up and get to the front of the pack with the "pros".

[NoctisUmbra]

People will still want to get it first Visch, that's the thing. It always holds true. Not everyone will, clearly you being one of them, but there will always be people in an MMO that want to get new gear before other people - if only for that.

If, however, you want to wait 2-3 months to get it because you know it'll all be easier then that is also fine. Especially if the gear is worth getting, people who put in that extra effort and got it right away will be able to enjoy it much more in advance.

Also, a lot of this debate revolves around how exactly new content is made easier after 3 months time. Lots of unknowns here.

I don't recall personally attacking you - unless of course something I said for w/e reason offended you. I also don't recall crying about anything.

As for your attempts at belittling other posters because of their displayed character's rank - I'm sure you learned by now that not everyone uses their main character/highest rank as their display. Also, nobody is voting here for some law. People are having a discussion. I wasn't aware people needed to satisfy certain conditions to post on a game forum.

[Visch]

People will still want to get it first Visch, that's the thing. It always holds true. Not everyone will, clearly you being one of them, but there will always be people in an MMO that want to get new gear before other people - if only for that.

And then what is the reason to continue playing after that? Pay for 2 more months where you have nothing to do?

If, however, you want to wait 2-3 months to get it because you know it'll all be easier then that is also fine. Especially if the gear is worth getting, people who put in that extra effort and got it right away will be able to enjoy it much more in advance.

And where is the reason to nerf content in this? More people will get it and naturally it will be more common place and still retain it's value.

Also, a lot of this debate revolves around how exactly new content is made easier after 3 months time. Lots of unknowns here.

People have said this every update.

It's true but there is no previous instance to prove other wise. Everything has been beyond easy mode.

I don't recall personally attacking you - unless of course something I said for w/e reason offended you. I also don't recall crying about anything.

LOL

As for your attempts at belittling other posters because of their displayed character's rank - I'm sure you learned by now that not everyone uses their main character/highest rank as their display. Also, nobody is voting here for some law. People are having a discussion. I wasn't aware people needed to satisfy certain conditions to post on a game forum.

Obviously they do.

They changed the forum rules when it went off beta so you had to have at least logged into the game in the last 30 days to post.

Your motivation to keep playing the game is that you need to prepare for the next tier of content and fully explore the current one. You get a continuous stream of content, at a pace that the devs control to coincide right about when you've exhausted the current tier of content.

This right here proves you don't play. Everyone got everything from Darkhold in a week. Not 3 months. They're controlling the "pace" of the game by making sure everyone gets everything to make them happy.

It's something other MMOs have been doing for a very, very long time and it's been working just fine for them.

And these MMO's are what? WoW? Ones people quit and reroll characters and go out of business to WoW?

You're splitting hairs because you've pulled numbers from thin air. Nowhere did Yoshida say that it was going to take only a week or two for players to finish the content after it's released.

If this game continues to be easy then it will.

Actually, it's entirely possible that he can make the content last just long enough so that by the time the newest tier comes out, the majority of serious players have just "completed" the current tier, or maybe they're even a bit behind.

How is this going to be possible when everything in the game lets you have a do-over instantly?

"timesink omg timesink"

This game needs a time sink but it's not going to happen.

Artificially inflating content length by adding in stupid grinds, time restrictions, and other obstacles that don't involve the players actively playing or getting the content is stupid when the devs have the ability to make a constant cycle with obsolescence/new release.

Exactly. You want to SPAM something and expect it to last for 3 months.

IT WON'T HAPPEN.

The players less attached to the game will not play the same content for a year or two straight, even if they haven't "completed" it.

Yes they will? Look at XI? People did the same stuff for years because they wanted the items and it didn't get boring because you couldn't spam.

The cycle of obsolescence/new releases also makes it much, much easier for newer players to catch up and get to the front of the pack with the "pros".

Yeah I bet you want that huh?

[Madruk]

There needs to be a fine balance between gear resets but honestly, do you really think this game is going to get new raid progression content every 3 months? Right from the horses mouth it takes them 6 months alone just to create graphics for new items. Look at FFXI's track record for new raid content. It took what, 1 1/2 years before Dynamis? This whole thread is a moot point. There will be very long points between gear resets with this game once everything is settled. The clone syndrome will set in long before we have new things to do.

There's usually an artificial blocker like long timer lockouts that separate the skilled from the terribles for longer periods but this game doesn't or won't have that if they continue with the trend of DZM's 5 minute lockouts.

[NoctisUmbra]

Yea... this isn't going anywhere. There's obviously a persisting disparity between what I am saying and what you are understanding Visch.

If anything, you come off as a troll. The part that worries me is, I'm not so sure you're aware.

[Konachibi]

Yea... this isn't going anywhere. There's obviously a persisting disparity between what I am saying and what you are understanding Visch.

If anything, you come off as a troll. The part that worries me is, I'm not so sure you're aware.

Oblivious troll is oblivious? O.o'

[NoctisUmbra]

Oblivious troll is oblivious? O.o'

Oxymoron? Maybe. :P