Why is there not an Au Ra muscle tone slider?

[BreathlessTao]

I agree muscle tone should be a generic feature across all races and both genders. I understand the need for equal number of customisation features, but for cryin' out loud, how is muscle tone a racial feature?? That just makes no sense whatsoever and is rather stupid. Heck, I can even see it on lalafells (maybe to a lesser degree / in a bit different way, but still).

That said, as much time as I spend looking at shirtless males, I do find the upper body polygon count rather low. Like, there are those fine general muscle tone lines, but it's barely even noticeable and makes me wish there was a higher resolution to it so it could be more defined. :/

[Samcaesar]

This is not gonna happen because the Au Ra have tails. Just like Hyur and Roes have muscles. Just like Lala and Wlfs have ears. SE is not gonna just break that balance just like that.



Honestly people need to deal with it and more on. This is how the Au Ra are and how they are gonna stay for a good long while.

Well, someone did say "Give Hyurs/Roegadyn body tattoos" to compensate. SE won't know to change things unless if people say "Hey SE! We want this!" so "Deal with it and move on" isn't a good thought process.

[Felis]

Same reason why Miqo'te don't have a muscle tone slider.
Every race have the same amount of configuration options and muscle tone slider = tail length slider

[Gyson]

Every race/gender SHOULD have muscle tone slider except maybe lalas, and it stilll annoys me that this isn't the case. Even for smaller races like miqo, there is such a thing as lean muscle, and I still find it wrong that someone can have noodle arms when they punch dragons and other mythological creatures so hard that they die for a living.

I doubt you would be overly pleased with the results.

The current muscle tone slider doesn't add additional mass to the character model. Thus, races that have noodle arms will still have the same noodle arms with said slider, but either more or less definition.

Visually, people tend to associate muscle bulk with power (and that is why heroic fantasy figures or superheroes are often represented as very beefy characters), and that is something the current slider can't give our characters. Tone is not only an indicator of muscle, but also of body fat. In other words, having less body fat will make you look more tone, even if the amount of muscle changes very little.

Most of the race models are already pretty thin. And so the muscle tone slider isn't really going to have the desired effect on them that I think many people are looking for. Highlanders, however, are modeled to be a tad more bulky and it helps (even more so on the Roegadyn). In fact, Highlanders are still thin enough that I would argue setting the muscle tone slider to maximum (as most probably do) is actually the wrong way to go, as it changes the shading in a way that makes it look like the Highlander is losing muscle bulk in the process of becoming more stringy. A better setting for them, in my opinion, is probably at less than 50% of the slider's maximum setting.. providing just enough definition to sell an illusion the bulkier build of their model supports. It would not look the same on, say, a Midlander or Elezen.

Anyway, just an opinion.

[Felis]

Well its the same thing as limbal rings on Au Ra being equivalent to tattoos. All races have equal options when they are different.

That said, it would be nice if every race could have muscle sliders so the question is what other customization can Roegadyn and Hyur get if their special equalizer option is given to all races? Maybe give them body hair! That will keep things even and everyone can then have muscles.

A simpler solution would be to replace tail length slider and ear length slider with the muscle tone slider.
Give them fixed ear length and tail length (Moon Keeper long, Sun Seeker short) like during 1.x

[seida]

A simpler solution would be to replace tail length slider and ear length slider with the muscle tone slider.
Give them fixed ear length and tail length (Moon Keeper long, Sun Seeker short) like during 1.x

But that would be a bad solution, as the difference between minimum and max ear length is quite significant. Personally I like having max length ears, but I have seen plenty of elezen with ears so short you can barely see them.

Adding a muscle slider, fine, but taking AWAY customisation is just going backwards....

[StrejdaTom]

it probably just wasnt included in the benchmark
square has stated not all options were ready for it

I hope you are right because Au Ras were a huge disappointment for me in benchmark.

[FallenArisen0990]

Well, someone did say "Give Hyurs/Roegadyn body tattoos" to compensate. SE won't know to change things unless if people say "Hey SE! We want this!" so "Deal with it and move on" isn't a good thought process.

Yeah SE is not gonna prioritize C.C over bug fixes and stability and *coughPS3cough*. They could have easily started the changes slowly patch by patch but it's clear they don't have the time for it. If it's very minor, they would do it. But since Tattoos require more than just a simple change, it's not going to happen til MAYBE 4.0.

[Lewtskie]

I don't think a slider for Muscle Tone would work too well. Just fiddling around with character creations in the benchmark it looks like the shading done to gives muscles their tone would actually conflict with some of the scale placements. Like, you look at their skin now and some the shading creates this depth and the scales would hover over it and I picture it looking bad.

[Eul]

+1 for muscle tone slider for Au Ra, especially for all race except lalafell (sorry).