I want to play (and enjoy) machinist but I have some major concerns

[SovereignAegis]

I played this game well over a year ago then took a break I mained scholar and adored the class. (focus on studies, changed fields completely from med -> compsci which of course took my full attention).

However with the addition of heavensward I am by far interested in dark knight and machinist. Dark knight doesn't scare me, I am an exceptional tank that can hold aggro 98.9% of the time and does marks and yadda yadda.

BUT Machinist is a DPS class. I don't play DPS classes at present cause none of them appeal to me whatsoever. I originally was coming to play summoner but then I realized it was actually a watered down subpar DOT based class, and so I have no DPS experience or classes.

However that being said I am far from ignorant on how this game works.

[SovereignAegis]

Think of it like a pyramid, tanks are on top, healers slightly below that (seems to be more healers than tanks) and then dps are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down below that as almost a sub-human class.

I know this as:
-DPS queues are mind bogglingly long. 30+ minutes, it is bloody insane.
-DPS are kicked even if they draw aggro by accident.
-DPS are kicked if they don't deal enough damage.
-DPS are kicked if they don't do their maximum damage rotation at all times. (IE: I've seen many bards kicked because they didn't use that 25% or less HP move.)
-DPS are hilariously easily replaced in dungeons when removed, there are so many of them it's like an insane clog.

[SovereignAegis]

-In FCs the tanks/healers are useful to help friends, the DPS are considered irrelevant because they won't actually be able to improve your chances of success anywhere close to that of a healer/tank.
-Similar to the point directly above, other DPS cry and wail and lament for a tank/healer to queue with them- meaning they get into events/make friends and allies much faster.
-All I need to say as a scholar is "healer lfp" in shout and I will get a group within seconds because I am a healer.
-DPS are allowed to stay dead and can and will be left dead for entire boss fights or raids.

And there are literally like a hundred more microaggressions against DPS classes I can think of but you get the jist of it.

And don't say "This doesn't happen" because I have seen it over a year ago when I played and I still see it now. It hasn't changed and if anything the heiarchy of dominance is EVEN STRONGER NOW.

[SovereignAegis]

I see tanks and healers (when I am leveling my pld right now) absolutely troll the everloving shit out of the team and it's all okay because they can just instant-queue immediately after.

OR they demand "kick that DPS or I leave and you can have fun without me" and they get their way because 9 times out of 10 if they leave you'll be sitting on your thumb for a solid 10-15 minutes praying for another tank/healer to come.


So I am INCREDIBLY discouraged at the fat that the machinist falls under a DPS class, I don't even know what to do at this point. I see these things every time I log into this game and I want to enjoy the machinist but with things being like THIS... I severely doubt I will be able to and that I will immediately get frustrated.

[Atlaworks]

Hi! You can bypass the maximum character limit by editing your post so you don't back to back post like that, OP. It's counterintuitive, I know, but what can you do?

Otherwise, you might wanna back off and have a sandwich. Yeah, there are some toxic members of the community towards every role, but it's not as harsh towards DPS classes as you're making it out to be. At least, not usually. I might have those problems in 1/10 DF parties who want me to perform at optimum like it's a coil raid or get out- and those people can go sit on Longhaft's lever for all I care. At the end of the day, just play what you think is fun. You're there for you to have fun, not to placate total strangers who may or may not act like total jerks to you.

[Velthice]

I too deeply care about what others think of me and my role in a video game and let that extreme, crippling pressure influence my every decision.

[Malevicton]

I too deeply care about what others think of me and my role in a video game and let that extreme, crippling pressure influence my every decision.

Dayum

Please check one:
[x]rekt
[ ]not rekt

[Kiara1]

I've never ever experienced that someone wants to kick a dps because they are badly geared or dont play their job well.
I've seen players leave because they think the dungeon is too slow, but never seen an initiated votekick on dps.

at lvl 50 queuetimes aren't longer than 15 minutes for roulette dungeons, and wod-ct-st gets instapopped sometimes

The only issue with dpsqueues is low level roulette

[m3eansean]

Either Jenova has something wrong with it, or you have been playing with some really bad folks.

These DPS "issues" are non existent for the most part. Just play your job well and you'll do fine.

[Ayuhra]

DPS is a different sort of monster compared to tank and healer. Sadly it is true that they are frequently dehumanized. You aren't even seen as a damager (like tank or healer)! You are Damage Per Second. A number.

And there are a lot of DPS out there and you are easily replaced.

That said there are DPS jobs that are worth being aware of. Moreso than the tank or the healer a good DPS is very aware of the battlefield and will CC enemies as needed (BLM seems to be particularly good for this). Bards can sing to help allies. Physical damage dealers are the ones desired most (at present) for high damage, single target Limit Breaks.

I think, since you've tanked and healed you can get the hang of DPS very quickly. You'll know when to CC, what targets to attack, etc, based on your knowledge of tanking.

The big thing to remember about DPS is this: Yes there are a lot of us and a bad DPS can be easily kicked aside but a great DPS is a thing of beauty. Healers heal the team, tanks hold the attention of the dragon, we make the dragon be not alive anymore.

(For whatever it's worth I'm a new player so in terms of gear and precise skill I'm hot garbage compared to many. I've never been kicked. People seem to be pretty tolerant of players new to their roles.)