Two reasons why an eviction system is INEVITABLE.

[Intaki]

A house I don't think falls under a "pay to win" category, but it is often bragging rights that should be earned in game, not JUST purchased with cash.

What a laughable statement. You don't "earn" a house in this game; the money required to buy the smaller plots is stupidly easy to make for anyone with a single crafting and/or gathering class leveled. The accomplishment involved in owning a house under the current system is the "accomplishment" of being present when the wards were opened or playing on some backwoods, empty server.

And if they're going to start charging money for "premium" houses, those houses should come with exclusive features not present in regularly purchased houses.

Then should their subscription expier even for one day their plot is vacated, all their non-moveable items destroyed, the rest of their items sent to an NPC, and all of their hard earned gil wasted.

Good idea. It would be even better if it applied to regular housing too!

[Kataz]

What a laughable statement. You don't "earn" a house in this game; the money required to buy the smaller plots is stupidly easy to make for anyone with a single crafting and/or gathering class leveled. The accomplishment involved in owning a house under the current system is the "accomplishment" of being present when the wards were opened or playing on some backwoods, empty server.

Hm... such anger over such a trivial comment. Sorry, I do find it a bit of an accomplishment for players to purchase medium and large houses. Small houses are there for the average joe, thats why there are so many of them in comparison to larger ones. But okay, be grumpy and take offense to me saying its an accomplishment for someone to save up for a house. You contribute nothing to the discussion by doing so.

Feel free to return with valuable input though!

Kaiser - I think there should be a very small window of opportunity to renew before losing the house. Several people in my FC, for whatever reason, choose to pay with gametime cards. I've never used them, not sure how they even work once you add extra services to your account like the extra retainer, but there have been instances where they've lapsed a day or two before they could go to ye' olde brick and mortar store to buy a primitive game card. I've had my game time expire when billing was due but the card on file had expired. Stuff happens, give 1 week to renew, but then I'd agree - too bad so sad.

[Intaki]

Stuff happens, give 1 week to renew, but then I'd agree - too bad so sad.

But what if they have a sad story about their sad wife's sad hand? Don't they deserve consideration too?

On the other hand, couldn't "Too bad, so sad" be turned back around on all the sad wives with sad hands out there?

Frankly, you may try to play nice in your posts, but you're no different than the rest of the housed majority: you already got yours, and if someone else didn't? **** 'em.

But let's get to the financial meat and potatoes at the root of the issue: you argue that house evictions could result in a unsubscribed player not returning. This is a fair point. But how many players are there with a) houses they have abandoned and b) a desire to return to the game at all? Juxtapose that with the following consideration: how many on the fence players can you turn into long term players by making housing available at the expense of unsubscribed players? How many players would keep their subscriptions going through lull periods just to keep their house?

You argue this system would come at financial cost. I argue it would come with financial benefit.

[Kataz]

But what if they have a sad story about their sad wife's sad hand? Don't they deserve consideration too?

On the other hand, couldn't "Too bad, so sad" be turned back around on all the sad wives with sad hands out there?

The difference is my wife didn't pay a premium for a lot with the understanding that the lot is lost as soon as that premium lapses. She bought a house the normal way, and when you buy a house the normal way there is no warning that comes up saying you will ever lose your house if certain conditions are not met. When you buy a third retainer, SE make it very very painfully clear that when you stop paying for the retainer, that retainer goes away. All of its market listings are tossed in the inventory, and all of the stuff its holding is no longer accessible until you pay for the retainer again.

I'm "playing nice" in my posts because your childish attitude is not justifiable in a theoretical discussion about housing solutions. Take your anger to another thread where people are all acting like asses, you'll fit right in.

[Intaki]

The difference is my wife didn't pay a premium for a lot with the understanding that the lot is lost as soon as that premium lapses.

So what? Rules change, policies change.

And you never actually addressed the actual root of my question, instead dodging with a technicality: why is one player (your wife's) reason for electing not to stay subbed more sacrosanct than another person's? Is it because you hold the belief that people who pay real money in lieu of "accomplishment" deserve worse service, because they're unaccomplished scrubs that need to eat dirt and wallow at the feet of their superiors (the already landed Übermensch of Final Fantasy XIV, may their reign be long and blessed by the heavens)?

Like I said, if SE wants to make players pay for something other players get to have for free it should be far from penalized: it should come with numerous exclusive benefits. After all, people who would pay money for housing are directly contributing to the financial success of the game. People like your wife (and others) who suck up space while not even paying for it are just leeches, sucking up resources while giving nothing of value in return.

[Kataz]

Rules and polices generally don't change in regards to items and progress earned in an MMO. SE has stated that this particular MMO is scheduled to live for 10 years. They boldly introduced housing very early on. I can say with 99% certainty that SE wont be kicking players out of houses based on what some bitter little ass demands on the forums this early in the games life, especially when they expect or hope for players to stay with their game for the next 8 years. So what you need to accept is that you will not get a house because some inactive player has been forcibly removed from theirs. Once you accept that fact, maybe you will spend some energy on constructive ideas, which you will no longer find in this thread because the instant people like you derailed it into personal attacks and ignorant statements of entitlement based solely on YOUR current subscription status versus someone elses, the chances of anyone of any importance within SE taking anything from this thread as valuable input falls to zero.

What I don't think I can ever explain to you since you have missed it a couple times now is this - If you pay an extra real world dollar amount on top of your subscription to ensure a plot, that I FULLY AGREE SHOULD COME WITH BONUS INCENTIVES ABOVE THE FREE PLOTS, then you also understand that JUST LIKE THE THIRD RETAINER, WHEN YOU STOP PAYING FOR IT, IT GOES AWAY. The difference between someone buying a plot for zero real world dollars is that they did so based on availability and the understanding that the plot is theirs until they relinquish it. Someone securing a plot for real world dollars does so based on the knowledge that should they fail to pay, that plot goes away. People like Madjames who are so very proud of paying for MMO's for 18 years straight will not have any problem accepting that fact. People like you, who want houses to be automatically relinquished when a subscription lapses, should also not have a problem accepting that fact. After all, you'd never let your subscription lapse if you got your way and a lapsed sub meant you lost your house, free plot or not. Right?

[Fived]

I feel that non paid subs over 30 days lose house. Period. The points of "They might come back and play, and be upset their house is gone" is a weak argument. The decision to come back to a game this huge should not be focused on housing. If a lapsed subscriber gets upset that they can not come back and get their house, how do you think the ones who are currently paying and unable to get a house feels? If the player does come back, they can wait and hope that another player loses their house and gives them the ability to purchase again.

I understand that RL happens, honestly I do. But if this policy came into effect, it would create more of a carousel of home ownership and allows more players to experience facets of the game. So please let the "A player might come back" argument go away, it is not a valid reason for keeping finite resources locked off from current players.

[Hypie]

So lets say im a fc leader, me and my fc cleared everything. We quitted our subs lets say a month after the last patch because we dont had anything to do. Now we definitely come back for Heavensward and everything we build up in our FC House is gone...because you egoistical selfish People wish that.

You Lot are disgusting....

[Fived]

So lets say im a fc leader, me and my fc cleared everything. We quitted our subs lets say a month after the last patch because we dont had anything to do. Now we definitely come back for Heavensward and everything we build up in our FC House is gone.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. Guess what though, if another FC does the same thing, you have the opportunity to purchase that land. Also, you clearly stated that you ended your sub due to a lack of content and that the new content coming out is the reason you are coming back. Obviously, the 'housing' feature is not the thing that determines your subscription, therefore let's please take away the argument of "I might come back and will be mad if my stuff is gone" as a valid argument against losing land. It is less fair to keep other paying players locked out of content, then allowing non paying players retain finite resources.

[Hypie]

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. Guess what though, if another FC does the same thing, you have the opportunity to purchase that land. Also, you clearly stated that you ended your sub due to a lack of content and that the new content coming out is the reason you are coming back. Obviously, the 'housing' feature is not the thing that determines your subscription, therefore let's please take away the argument of "I might come back and will be mad if my stuff is gone" as a valid argument against losing land. It is less fair to keep other paying players locked out of content, then allowing non paying players retain finite resources.

Do you know why you whine and bitch? Because Content to Housing is ADDED NOW and you didn't bother getting a House when it was only "Housing". Now that you can really do something with the house, oh my the outrage they dont have a plot left for me! How could they! It's not "I might come back" it's "i come back instantly if there is a new Patch". That's a grave Difference.

I bet most of you wouldn't buy a House in Heavensward if the Housing would be only Fluff-Content again.

Now im following the Urge to wash myself clean, excuse me.