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    Meleoffs's Avatar
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    Adreius Niluez
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 60
    They are instead flat 3% off gcds/cast times. Still roughly the same, though not quite as strong.
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    When servers come back up, I'll have a little bit of time before my friends log on to rush through the story together. Gonna try to use that time to knock out a SS and Crit test in Whitebrim under the assumption that +X Crit chance will always tie to +Y Crit damage across all levels and the same with SS.
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 80
    I've noticed I'm doing slightly more damage naturally as well...

    Looks like they've done a lot of stat rebalancing... sigh
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    My Death Blossom (100 potency) is pretty much where it's always been. I did manage to hit one higher damage on it, but my lower bound is unchanged so it's hard to say f I just never saw that data point in my original test. My auto attacks are 3 points higher than they used to be, though, so if they really did make Det scale worse on AA they must have boosted the other stats contribution or something. . .
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Since I have some free time waiting for people to log on to quest with, I'm gathering some preliminary numbers on how crit affects crit damage. So far here are my numbers:

    Level 53, WD 58, AP 641, Crit 509, Det 371. . . Base 345 Crit and 207 Det, since who knows if that matters?

    100 Potency damage: 217-240 non-critical, 329-364 critical
    AA damage: 190-211 non-critical, 288-319 critical
    Crit chance: 227/2013 swings, or about 11.27%
    Crit ratio: 329/217=1.516, 364/240=1.516repeating, 288/190=1.515, 319/211=1.511.

    That last one looks like an outlier, but. . .
    211/190=1.111, which is a big spread
    190.5 x 21/19=210.55, which makes 210.55 our upper bound for max AA damage, with 211 being the rounded value. Dividing 319 by this value puts us back at 1.515.

    I'll be doing more swings shortly to see if the 11% rate is accurate, so that hopefully we can use this % later to try to tease out the relationship at 60.

    Edit: Well, second batch is 119/857 crits, for a combined 12.05 rate. I'm probably gonna hold off doing any more until I find a solution so I don't have to manually copy/paste my combat log. @_@
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    Last edited by Viridiana; 06-20-2015 at 09:11 PM.

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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Is it just me, or does Skillspeed scale less now?

    446 SS was 2.4GCD. I'm now 511 SS with 2.42 GCD. Anyone else noticed it?
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Well, the old rate was based off of a 341 base, so. . .
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    I did expect the base SS to change, obviously, but I didn't expect it to change this dramatically... Interesting.
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    Waliel Hla
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 90
    If WoW is anything to go by, the effectiveness of secondary stats got basically cut to one third or more by the time you hit the level new cap to prevent you from getting 100% crit and so when expansions hit.
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    Yoshi-P is doing his best and is patching Endwalker. Please wait warmly until it is ready.

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    Sunny Hirose
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 70
    The mathematical significance of base values isn't all that clear to us, other than that it counts for food buffs. Perhaps crit and speed formulas for level 60 will elucidate this; at levels 1-49 it was impossible and/or counterproductive to stack enough secondary stats to get a good reading.
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