Translation quality

[Allyrion]

I see people often make reference to this cutscene, which if I may add, is the only instance where the gestures were different. I also notice how it's always only a comparison between the Japanese and the English. Did you know that Japanese is the only language to get this special treatment for this cutscene?

Are you also aware that this characterization of the slightly crazed charismatic character talking about sweaty bodies and rippling muscles (almost as if he's coming on to you) is a character trope easily recognized by the JP audience, but not necessarily any others? I'm not trying to defend the English, French, and German localizations of the game per se, but there are reasons that these are sometimes portrayed differently to different audiences.

Well, I switch between Japanese and English sometimes.
I just came across this one by chance, never heard anyone else mention it.

Afterwards, I haven't switched back to English because I was surprised at the difference.
I get that the trope is picked up by a Japanese audience more easily, but I don't think that's a good reason.
Because I think no matter what, we should be playing the same game.

There are certain liberties when it comes to localization, but I don't think it should get to a point where people don't think of characters the same way.
And the actual text takes quite a few deviations, which I've become accustomed to. But then to actually see that the scene is different between the two felt like we'd cross a line.

Don't get me wrong. For the english text they probably did the right thing, toning him down since his words didn't match.
It just shows how different the portrayal was that they had to change the character movements.

Personally, I'd rather they keep the content intact and people can just deal with some culture difference when playing a Japanese game.
The dialogue is so different. All the characters are basically different people in Japanese.
And I'm not saying the Japanese version is always better even, except like in Midgardsomr's case where some things are lost.
I'm only saying that the differences are too stark.

[Waliel]

Since the explanation contains spoilers, i’ve enclosed in the spoiler tags below.

After defeating The White Raven (Nael van Darnus) on the Rivenroad (back in 1.x), his essence was absorbed by Bahamut, creating a new being.

This new being took the form of Nael deus Darnus, which consisted of the essence of both Nael van Darnus as well as Bahamut. Nael van Darnus is Male, however Bahamut is portrayed as a female. Since the essence of those two merged into 1 being, Nael deus Darnus looks female, but still talks like the male version Nael van Darnus.

Close-ish. It's a little different.

The reincarnation Bahamut made out of Nael Van Darnus' aether into Deus is not perfect. The female is someone from his memories, which is why he look like her. This was stated a couple of times.

I'm also sure there's nothing female about Bahamut either.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The Nael of 1.0 was very clearly male. Voice and all.

[Aeyis]

Even if we scrap the norm of western dragons, I still expect the dragon to be a bit ornery - and not that impressed with us. I'd personally be annoyed at how polite and verbose the Japanese Sormr was if translated and not localized (especially after his opening action is to attack). Anyway , agree to disagree lol.

You feel that way because of the english alterations to the script. From the japanese script its obvious he speaks such in part of his regal nature, and in part because of his respect for one of Hydaelyns own.

There are certain liberties when it comes to localization, but I don't think it should get to a point where people don't think of characters the same way.
And the actual text takes quite a few deviations, which I've become accustomed to. But then to actually see that the scene is different between the two felt like we'd cross a line.

This seems the discussion up pretty well. Its also the number 1 reason why overall a fantranslation is actually prefered to a offical, but localized translation.

The moment you start actually changing characters your going to far imo.

Which is precisely what they did in Version 1.0. But for whatever reason the JP decided they wanted to use random suffixes, and the English decided to continue using the numbering system from Version 1.0.

1.0 had the suffixes, not a number system. What we have now is changed from what it was like in 1.0 It was the localization team that changed it from 1.0 to 2.0 for some reason.

Why do Hawaiians never need a dentist?

They have good teeth.

That's a Japanese joke translated :P It works as an anti-joke in English, but that's not the original idea. The words for Hawaiians and Good Teeth are very similar in Japanese, its a pun that doesn't work in English.

Kanji puns are a bad example. From my understanding even most Japanese roll their eyes when someone uses one. :P

[Shougun]

You feel that way because of the english alterations to the script. From the japanese script its obvious he speaks such in part of his regal nature, and in part because of his respect for one of Hydaelyns own.
This seems the discussion up pretty well. Its also the number 1 reason why overall a fantranslation is actually prefered to a offical, but localized translation.

I don't believe there was any alteration that added more sin (he has reason to dislike us in both versions), or removed the fact he has some sort of deal/respect/covenant with Hydaelyn. It was clear in the English version he was doing something because of her, for us - and strictly that because otherwise he'd probably turn us into KFC. We may, or have to, earn his respect much like Ramuh.

I do not prefer the fan-translation, I prefer the talk down - you're an ant I do this for someone much bigger than you and not the tell all interview. To each their own though.

[Takfloyd]

Ok spoilers are free for all I guess.

She specifically refers to herself in terms of "when I was a young girl", AFTER the battle, when Nael is free of Bahamut's control. I was told this by someone, and went to check it myself. While I'm not overly fluent in Japanese, there's no mistaking the shoujo jukugo. If anyone who knows the language better wants to look it up that would probably settle the case.