Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Duuude007]

(Really condescending junk)
Understand now?

Really can't believe you still cannot see the obvious. And yes, still a terrible analogy.

You had to complete Zilart prerequisites to access Sky.
You did not have to complete CoP prerequisites to access Sky.
You did not have to complete ToAaU prerequisites to access Sky.

and...

You had to complete CoP prerequisites to access TS/Sea.
You did not have to complete Zilart prerequisites to access TS/Sea.
You did not have to complete ToAU prerequisites to access TS/Sea.

and...

You had to complete ToAU prerequisites to access WG.
You did not have to complete Zilart prerequisites to access WG.
You did not have to complete CoP prerequisites to access WG.

Expansions. Disconnected. Take one path, ignore the rest, that's fine. Whether one of the three was drastically easier is irrelevant. One is not required to access another.

HOWEVER!

Rise of the Zilart was the very first expansion to FFXI.

And lo and behold, prerequisites:

After defeating the Shadow Lord for nation mission 5-2, you can unlock ZM-1: "The New Frontier"

...You were saying?

[AnaviAnael]

HOWEVER!

Rise of the Zilart was the very first expansion to FFXI.

And lo and behold, prerequisites:



...You were saying?

And that was the situation North American players faced upon the game's release here. Yet we still played. Some of us for years.

[Whiteroom]

Also they said anyone who is doing the MSQ in 3.0 will have an even easier time doing it because it will give higher exp, give out more powerful gear and lower difficulty on some trails which should make it a breeze getting to 3.0 areas. So I don't see why anyone is complaining about having to do the MSQ.

Because the complaint isn't the reason. Complaining is.

[AriaFae]

I just bought this game about a month ago, I've enjoyed the MSQ for the most part. Finding out every single thing in the game was gated behind them was kind of a shock, since I wasn't really aware of that coming into it. I tried to get my friend to play, but when he realised he couldn't do dungeons without doing the MSQ he was put off buying the game. It's really daunting to new players, finding out you have to grind through all these quests, and then spend a bunch of time gearing up towards the end of it to even finish the questline, before you can ever do anything in the expansion thats coming out.

I get that the story is important, but gating a lot of the content behind quests some people might not really enjoy grinding through is kind of silly if you ask me.

[Greven]

You have more than a week, go and skip through the MSQ, It's faster and easier than what it seems.

[Parryacg]

...You were saying?

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

You can make all the complaints against it in the world, the fact that it's locked behind the MSQ is staying.

No ifs ands or buts, and the best part is; they cannot change it within 11 days for early access. So anyone who hasn't done the MSQ is SOL. Whether people like it or not, Heavensward being gated behind 2.55 is not going to change. Which I'm glad. Though it won't change how many people will be sucking all over the place with DRK/AST until we get rotations set. (Myself included)

[Bloody]

Access to new regions gated by a story in a story-driven RPG? Seems logical to me. A whole lot of people have done the story grind because they knew they were going to need it to get into Ishgard, and honestly most of it is easily done. Plenty of people have completed each patch within 2-3 hours of it being launched and the 2.0 MSQ was ground through on day 1 by a lot of folks as well who were legacy, so even if somebody joins late, they will easily be able to catch up and finish all of ARR's core story content (and even some of the side content) with a week or two. That's completely reasonable. I still don't understand why so many people have to ask for their own special alternative route when they easily could have already done the content and be ready for next Friday. Do hardcore raiders like having to grind story to unlock their challenging content? Not all of them. Do they like having to grind up crafting classes to make gear they can meld to compensate for lower ilvl gear in those challenges? Not all of them. Do DoH/L like grinding story to unlock their content? Not all of them. But do they do the story to get to their content that they want to do? For those people who actually truly want to get to and participate in the content they like, they'll put in the effort needed to get there. The people who ask for shortcuts or whine and complain about being neglected are just being babies, and I've seen it in multiple threads like this one and others asking for alternative access to Ishgard, or those wanting to unlock content by removing all prerequisites, etc etc.

Some of the folks on here could have already finished the story for how much time they spend on here asking to not have to do the grind everyone else is or has done.

Why is the analogy bad?
Ok, let's put it together: Entering Ishgard (Whitegate) should not require me to have completed the full expansion prior to it (2.55 main story) because it is unfriendly to new players to do that. Mostly it locks off access to the new jobs which are typically a major selling point for an expansion (remember, Heavensward is an expansion and not a content patch).

Also 2.55 is not expansion content, it is core content, just like Dude's Shadow Lord/Promiv example. Shadow Lord (Core MSQ) completion required prior to doing RotZ Promivs which gated new areas.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

It's also not like 3.0 is going anywhere anytime soon. By the time new people get to 3.0 at a reasonable pace, there'll still be people playing 3.0 and all the new people catching up will play with each other in the new areas and quests.

This is also an MMORPG and MMOs require time and dedication no matter how you slice it.

[Zumi]

I just bought this game about a month ago, I've enjoyed the MSQ for the most part. Finding out every single thing in the game was gated behind them was kind of a shock, since I wasn't really aware of that coming into it. I tried to get my friend to play, but when he realised he couldn't do dungeons without doing the MSQ he was put off buying the game. It's really daunting to new players, finding out you have to grind through all these quests, and then spend a bunch of time gearing up towards the end of it to even finish the questline, before you can ever do anything in the expansion thats coming out.

I get that the story is important, but gating a lot of the content behind quests some people might not really enjoy grinding through is kind of silly if you ask me.

If he is a new player he will be doing the quests to level up anyway. Makes no sense to go to a new expansion area designed for 50 to 60 when you have yet to hit the old cap.

[Duuude007]

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

You can make all the complaints against it in the world, the fact that it's locked behind the MSQ is staying.

Whoa Nelly, I was not the one who began referencing FF11. Nor was I whining about how it will be in HW. Direct your 'tude to where it is more constructive, thank you very much.