Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Nestama]

One and a half days? Probably skipped all the cutscenes, probably played as a tank to get quick queue times, were probably already level 50 (Legacy account. If not, then they did not sleep, eat, anything at all to hit level 50 in 1 day) and are most likely talking out of their butt.

Someone in this thread added on to what I said earlier that it took them 21 days, as a tank, to get the entire MSQ (and I think i90 stuff) done. One and a half days... think for a moment and realise what they most likely did to achieve that. Now think of a casual player who can only play for two-three hours a day.

[Cian]

Do not take this the wrong way, however: What work?

Simply put, the jobs are level 30 each. Thus, the requirement to unlocking them, likewise, should be a level 30 of Any job. The only "Work" people should be required to do in order to get access to the jobs is buying the expansion, clearing any pre-leveling required (Like we did for our base jobs), and completing a quest. At that point, it should be unlocked to them.


The things that should be locked behind MSQ:
- Story.
- MAYBE special areas, but not an entire expansion. Even FFXI knew this - you could get access to special high-level areas, but you were never gated from the other zones. Quite the contrary, many a time the game introduced areas specifically for lower-levels.
- Quests, due to level (I.E. DRK being a level 30 quest is accessible, but you can'd to the first quest in the zone because it's level 50 - out of your range)



Baiting with a level 30 job just seems cruel in its own way.

Yoshi P has already stated that it will not always be this way with every expansion because 3, 4 or 5 story arcs down the line makes for way too much to go through just to get to new content.

[Cian]

Number 1 reason people buy expansion? To try out the new classes and level in new zones. Neither of those are possible with this expansion so no matter what anyone says this is the single most idiotic business decision a company can make. I am sure your precious "lore" will do you good when the number on purchases are abysmally low and they start decreasing development effort.

actually it's not. SE was doing just fine before HW was announced and i doubt they will go broke because a few people have an issue with having to complete the MSQ. and Yoshi already stated this will not be the norm of every expansion. and! they are tweaking 2.0 content so much that you are gonna fly through the MSQ anyway. so really. . .why all the special snowflakes? suck it up and grind it out b4 3.0 or breeze through it during 3.0.

[Cian]

Reading comprehension, ever heard of it? Who says they are new? Lots of the player-base are players that left in 2.0 after they hit 50, I am sure they cant wait to grind fetch quests to play the game and try out new classes.

kinda hard to see these patchers as part of the "player base" when they keep leaving because they are "bored" after they hit 50. or grind and spam all the shiney new content then leave again. if the goal is to hit it and quit it then maybe a mmorpg is not the game for them. so yeah, lets listen to all the players that hit 50 and quit when making these decisions over the players that keep a sub going because they actually like the game and can always find something to do. and no i am not including people who had to drop sub due to RL issues.

[Nadirah]

I've lost count how many times in this thread alone that this false claim has been disproven because of the modifications to first time players' duty finder access.


They are when the fastest way to level.... is via story.

And you have yet to prove folks will still run the stuff after release. Doesn't matter if they have priority or not if there aren't enough tanks and healers queueing.

I don't care about alts. I'm concerned with new 50s right around launch and the trials. I waited over an hour for a second tank for westwind before getting on the phone to call a buddy and go "yo, tank this for me".

Its only getting *worse*.

[Belhi]

I think a thing a lot of the 'let us enter Ishgard without finishing the MSQ' are ignoring is that most of the content in Ishgard will require you to do MSQs to unlock anyway. The only things that would be open are access to the zones (and potentially not the flying mounts since they are apparently earned in the story) and the new Job Guilds. If players come back and skip all the patch stuff, they are still going to have to do MSQs anyway to progress through the expansion content. More over, most of that content will lack any sense story and context wise because they have missed out on major plot points.

The other thing people are forgetting about the instances, is they are on roulettes which will get a lot more popular soon. Why? Because they offer a tonne of EXP. For people wanting to level to 60 they will be daily routine. Combine that with the fact that they are changing the priority system to give people with their first time in a dungeon or trial priority in the DF and you'll probably see queue times still be quite reasonable.

[Whiteroom]

And you have yet to prove folks will still run the stuff after release. Doesn't matter if they have priority or not if there aren't enough tanks and healers queueing.

I don't care about alts. I'm concerned with new 50s right around launch and the trials. I waited over an hour for a second tank for westwind before getting on the phone to call a buddy and go "yo, tank this for me".

Its only getting *worse*.

Lol, and you also ignored the part where you will be able to queue with less than the required amount, and summon companions to fill empty spots... but carry on.

[Eidolon]

Yoshi P has already stated that it will not always be this way with every expansion because 3, 4 or 5 story arcs down the line makes for way too much to go through just to get to new content.

Doesn't really help the those coming into the game at 3.0. They will still have to go around and out of their way to complete not only an extra 20 levels of a job they might not be interested in - but also completing the MSQ as those jobs that they have no interest in.


Honestly, I only see benefits in allowing players to unlock jobs at level 30 instead of level 50 if the job itself is going to be level 30. For example. That's 20 levels of completing the dungouns leading up to level 50. 20 levels of playing as their job instead of as another job, and not just fate grinding - likely completing main scenario story to get there, whcih means they'll be using their skills in a meaningful way.

Instead, what you'll likely see is people clearing the MSQ as JobTheyHate#1, and then going back and unlocking the other job. Then they'll FateGrind those jobs to 50, without a clue what to do, and start entering the Ishgard/Heavensward content as the job they wanted to be all along. And when they have no idea what to do in level 50 dungouns because they grinded fates instead of learning their skills like a majority of Ninjas, I want people to remember that this was their preffered reason "FOR THEIR LORE."

[Duuude007]

And you have yet to prove folks will still run the stuff after release.

Um, yes we have. Every single trial is in the 'trial roulette' category. Whenever people do their dailies, which most people I know do, they will be queued with people in the priority list unless there is nobody left in the priority list. Then they will be queued with people grinding the content.


This means that regardless of who is queuing up they will be matched up quickly. Also: queueing DF as a partial group will allow instant access in many cases.

The issue with the Ninja patch was that people were almost exclusively running MSQ as DPS. That is irrelevant now, as so many people will be leveling all three classes, and will have large XP incentive to regularly do the daily roulettes. Something that was meaningless to players already level capped in the past two years.

So yeah, it WILL get better.

Its only getting *worse*.

This modification hasn't been applied yet...

They will still have to go around and out of their way to complete not only an extra 20 levels of a job they might not be interested in - but also completing the MSQ as those jobs that they have no interest in.

HOW many times must you hear "MSQ is the fastest way to access Ishgard" before you realize they dramatically streamlined the process to eliminate any repeated grinding to catch up? Today it takes roughly eighteen cumulative hours to go from level 1 newbie to clearing Steps of Faith, WITH grinding. Heavensward gets more than double the XP AND i90+ gear as rewards. I would bet 9 hours is a fair measurement for those who want to rush the story in 3.0. So that would mean what, 4.5 hours if you are rushing from level 30?

If you can't accept 5 hours of work as a tradeoff for not putting in the work like the rest of us.... I think we're done here.

Instead, what you'll likely see is people clearing the MSQ as JobTheyHate#1

There's 10 jobs right now. if they hate all of them, they are most certainly going to hate the next three. Tryharder.

[Naruil]

Level and story gated content are not the same thing.

The point is you have to work to get to were you want to go. No cheep ways t get by it. Gated or not.