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    berries's Avatar
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    Bebe Oh
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If they didn't do the story, past 2.0, for example, 2.1 through 2.55 is new content to them
    Sure, the 2.1-2.55 is techinacally new stuff for those who haven't done it, but it's really not, the expansion is all what's new and shiny. There's the allure of new areas, this time bigger with flying mounts, new enemies and generally things to discover and ton of that stuff has nothing to do with the main story.
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylen View Post
    new player won't be happy to do 100quest when they reach level 50 to enter the expansion, cause 2.1 to 2.55 is 100quests. end of story, that's the problem people see. no matter if it's mmo, ff , story driven etc. if they wan't a succesfull expansion with new comer. they failed with that decision.
    Tbh I would almost rather be in their skin, those 100 quests at lvl 50 we did, those gave us ZERO experience. The players hitting 50 after the expansion comes round will get at least 1 level from just the story content.
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    Adelfia Balfegar
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    Ahhh the misery of the official forums...

    FFXIV ARR content clearing speed will be "faster" <--- This is the devs "helping hand" for new players. It's appreciated and more than enough for newcomers and returners to enter Ishgard.
    There is no need to directly enter Ishgard as a lvl1.

    Also @OP and whoever shares the opinion that people should be able to enter Ishgard without having finished the main story quests, I tell you this.



    If new players that started the game 1 month ago have completed their main quest line and have 3 jobs at lvl 50 wihtout playing 24/7 then why should new players, that start at 3.0, not be able to do the same ?

    (/huh)
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    Zappa Dattic
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    Alright, let's assume they did remove the lock. How would that go for the new players that everyone's so gungho to protect?

    1) lvl 1 character goes to ishgrad
    2) gets eaten by lvl 52 dragon
    3) goes back to lvl 1 area to level up
    4) does the main story because it's the fastest way to level
    5) comes back at level 50 or 51, having likely completed the story anyways while leveling whether they cared or not

    So... why would a lvl 1 wanna go to ishgard again?
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    Gilraen's Avatar
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    Gilraen Bior
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malevicton View Post
    So... why would a lvl 1 wanna go to ishgard again?
    One of the more plausible arguments is to unlock the Extra Jobs. Beyond knowing that they will require Ishgard access we know little else about how to get the Extra Jobs. For all we know they could well require you to have unlocked a Job prior on top of needing Ishgard access, and may well even need for the story to be progressed even further...
    Raubahn is so the Dark Knight trainer, calling it now (as I have been since I finished 2.#).
    We just don't know. What we DO know is that after Heavensward a goodly amount of existing content will be made easier/more rewarding, whether people wanted it or not (like all the people that were whining at Relic being made easier to get in Heavensward, no matter how much of a necessity it will be going in. Best in Slot {after Novus} till Mythic {maybe}!).
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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    Raubahn is so the Dark Knight trainer, calling it now (as I have been since I finished 2.#).
    Actually about your theory there.

    They already stated the Dark Knights are already an established group of fighters who have been in Ishgard for many years. Highly doubtful Raubahn is a trainer especially since if he was close to anything, it would be Warrior, despite him being a Gladiator. DRK's also don't exactly use anger or rage as their power like he does. They simply channel darkness and chaos to overwhelm foes.


    Quote Originally Posted by berries View Post
    Sure, the 2.1-2.55 is techinacally new stuff for those who haven't done it, but it's really not, the expansion is all what's new and shiny. There's the allure of new areas, this time bigger with flying mounts, new enemies and generally things to discover and ton of that stuff has nothing to do with the main story.
    If that was the case, I would imagine people in that mindset would go ahead and buy ARR first and finish it before expansion hits. Not really anything stopping them in a general sense. People with MMO knowledge should know anyways you need to do old content in some fashion before you can engage in expansion content.
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    Last edited by Velhart; 06-11-2015 at 11:15 PM.

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    Bebe Oh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    If that was the case, I would imagine people in that mindset would go ahead and buy ARR first and finish it before expansion hits. Not really anything stopping them in a general sense. People with MMO knowledge should know anyways you need to do old content in some fashion before you can engage in expansion content.
    New players for sure, but later on there will be bundles too and possibly new/returning players wanting to catch up quickly. How different it is for people to skip cutscenes and not knowing much of the story... or having read about it elsewhere than not having done them at all.. plot hole wise.. which has been thrown around here a little too. Personally I'm fine with content gating.. but I do think whole expansion gating is taking it a step little too far.
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    Kheima Rayne
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    Locking new jobs that start at lvl 30 behind a lvl 50 story wall is not good design. if ppl are interested in the new classes they have to level another class to 50 just to get the story(just skip CS) out the way. thats the only problem i see. As for not doing the story at all. Just dont watch the CS skip them ur not missing much really.
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    Anavi Anael
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    I wish I had a source for this, but aren't they introducing a system where you can summon NPCs in dungeons to help alleviate a lot of these issues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaviAnael View Post
    I wish I had a source for this, but aren't they introducing a system where you can summon NPCs in dungeons to help alleviate a lot of these issues?
    It would be cool if they did, or at least introduced some sort of scaling to party size (or not even scaling just remove the requirement of a full party entirely). Or are they removing party requirements for new content as well? My friends and I could clear a lot of content with just 4-5 of us but needing to have a full party of 8 to enter is a problem. If people can clear with fewer they should be allowed to.
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