Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Kelzack]

it's literally the only thing everyone has to do.

How is that good at all. Everyone doing the same thing in an MMO is not how it should be? MMOs are made as living breathing worlds of the IP. That means people have, again, options to do whatever they can.

Let me give you another example:

An MMO starts out with 32 classes. 9 months after launch it decides to cut down to 9 classes, because it wants to try to get everyone doing the same goals. The MMO tanked.

That should have been what every developer learn from Star Wars Galaxies. More is always gonna be great in this sense because it will draw a larger demographics.

[Felis]

But you have to have a DoW, by your own admission, to do that...

Only for the battle parts. In the whole MSQ fom 2.0 to 2.55 you do much more talking to NPC than fighting.
Just level up a battle class with FATEs parallel to your crafting class and you can do 80% of the MSQ as a crafter.

[Allistar]

Good morning!

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well written post, and hopefully something the devs take some time discussing, especially the point about future expansions and their requirements.

[Velhart]

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The thing is and the major appeal of FFXIV is that everything can be done on one character The only reason SE actually opened up more slots to make more characters was because of the feedback to do so. Even then, a lot requested it just to have more inventory space. Only reason to make an alt at the time was to do Coils more than once a week or just for the hell of it. Even then, systems have been in place to make it less appealing. It isn't that I am necessarily against a BoA system, but I can understand why SE would not care to put one in.

[Kelzack]

The thing is and the major appeal of FFXIV is that everything can be done on one character The only reason SE actually opened up more slots to make more characters was because of the feedback to do so. Even then, a lot requested it just to have more inventory space. Only reason to make an alt at the time was to do Coils more than once a week. Even then, systems have been in place to make it less appealing. It isn't that I am necessarily against a BoA system, but I can understand why SE would not care to put one in.

They would care when the money starts dropping. It's how it always is

[Velhart]

They would care when the money starts dropping. It's how it always is

You think this game will lose money for lack of support for alt characters? I am willing the bet the amount of people who make various alts are an extremely low percentage.

[odintius]

Might want to relook at your claim there, buster. First you say you can get a relic without doing the main story, yet you still have to level a battle class to get that far anyway while also complaining about Square "forcing" people to level up a battle class. Second, you can't do the relic quests without unlocking the hard mode versions of Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan, which also require you to fight their story mode versions and that also means leveling up a battle class to even fight them.

Me thinks you don't have a good grasp on this game as you claim to have.

Also you have to complete these complete class and job quest, complete main scenario quest 2.0 version to even be able to even start the HM primals also.

[Felis]

I have a better grasp than you apparently. You can level a doh or dol 1-50 get geared and aquire a relic weapon with out doing any of the msq past level 10. They incorporated that system now they are telling players to level a Dom or dow or bugger off.

The Weaponsmith of Legend
Prerequisite Quest: The Ultimate Weapon

[Duuude007]

So far there isn't a person saying a new level 10 should be able to go to Ishgard they are just saying lose up on the main story requirement.

Uh, huh. And let me guess, you, like all of the other so-called 'bleeding hearts' in these topics, probably already are guaranteed access to Ishgard on day one.

Rather than people trying to speak for new players, it would be refreshing to see new players beginning in late July make up their own minds about what they care about in Heavensward's gating system.

After all, your progression experience, while likely similar to mine, is also likely to be vastly dissimilar to the progression of an incoming new player. It would be disingenuous to suggest that we know what concerns them before it even happens.

There is likely some lore like reason that gives it a pass, even if it may be a poor one. If I can give this game credit for anything, the lore team always has an explanation or reasoning for something even if on the surface it does not make sense.

I would applaud your explaining-away this gating as some sort of weak retroactive continuity...But you couldn't be more wrong in that assessment.

The city of Ishgard, since 1.0 launch, has always been at arms length but never accessible. They couldn't get away with such an obvious roadblock without backing it up with dozens of quests and NPCs explaining, in detail, why we cannot get in (let alone witness them raise a finger to support the Grand Companies' many campaigns in the MSQ), which over the past five years became an inherent proof positive that attaining such access would not be as simple as wearing a fancy level 50 outfit at the front gates. Which is exactly what people like the OP are demanding 'should happen'.

And I just moved my guild from wow to this game, they love it. But they also hate it. Why? because people want to play with their friends! but they are forced to go through the massive amount gating instead of quickly catching up and play with me through raids and other end game stuff..

Carries still happen. Even vets benefit from easy tomes, spiritbonding, desynth/lights and leveling alts in the process. Why can't your friends look at it like that, and not leave your newly migrated folks to fend for themselves? SE gave you lemons, why not make lemonade.

That means people have, again, options to do whatever they can.

People confusing Sandbox with Sandparks/Themeparks again.

Only one well-known MMO Sandbox has stood the test of time with resounding success, because the model is VERY difficult to sustain, let alone thrive.

XIV is not EVE, nor should it strive to be.

The Weaponsmith of Legend
Prerequisite Quest: The Ultimate Weapon

Tuathaa is counting lucis as relics. I know, hilariously misleading. Just figured I would save you the trouble of arguing.

Are you required to have the Ixial mount in order to PVP or obtain the swan set? I believe your argument is a little specious.

Are you required to have the Ishgard access in order to continue to XP or profit as DoH/DoL? I believe your argument is a little specious.

[Lewtskie]

How is that good at all. Everyone doing the same thing in an MMO is not how it should be? MMOs are made as living breathing worlds of the IP. That means people have, again, options to do whatever they can.

Are we going to be thinking of the game as a game or the game as its own world for all this context? You seem to want to bounce between the two and never settle, always going back to whichever would give more foundation to what you want.

As a game, more options is great and just side-swiping everything to do what you want if you so desire, sure, why the hell not.

As it's own living, breathing world? No. You can't just side-step everything that it happening just to do as you please. A 'living' world has structure, has a flow.