The broken FFXIV Holy trinity

[Malevicton]

Sure you have... As if anyone would believe you were doing speed runs without even knowing the dungeons... You are claiming this when in reality you did it with alts who got gear from your main. You don't have the kniwledge or health to do it when firsf leveling, which is what the difficulty is designed for...

If you did it while farming, then you've already pointed out that you had run it a ton of times. Of course you will know the fight by then... If you are farming end game, you also have better gear than someone who just reached it..

I was running them at launch, farming them to get the i70 gear. You could've probably passed my ilvl with the soldiery bonus from finishing ct/prae now. I dunno why you think I had to run it a million times before I tried to speedrun it. I had run it before, but not tons of times (yet). I'm not saying everyone can lolz their way through dungeons in i45 while blind, but it's really not ridiculous to expect passable skill from people near the actual ilvl req.

The person I responded to said the dungeons weren't speedrun-able at the req ilvl. First time runs are a different conversation.

Fine if you disagree with me, but if you're gonna try and cite my life story at me again, please get it remotely close to accurate.

[Yuri_Hyuga]

Problem is that we need EX Difficulty Dungeons.

[SDaemon]

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You mentioned farming them at launch for darklight gear. That would be WP and AK for philosophy tomes, which were well before CT or soldiery tomes, unless you are mixing time frames together, in which case a clear timeline point would be nice.

WP and AK weren't speedrun-able in the way we do it now. When WP and AK were current endgame starting dungeons, the "speed-run" method was for the tank to pull everything (running like mad) and die, healer revives the tank and you move on, skipping the trash (which ended up being nerfed). No one pulled everything and burned it all down like we do now. No skill invovled (if you were trying to equate speed-running to skill of all things.)

The dungeons weren't hard, don't get me wrong, but they weren't the speed-runs we make of them now.

[Cirgellon]

I was running them at launch, farming them to get the i70 gear. You could've probably passed my ilvl with the soldiery bonus from finishing ct/prae now. I dunno why you think I had to run it a million times before I tried to speedrun it. I had run it before, but not tons of times (yet). I'm not saying everyone can lolz their way through dungeons in i45 while blind, but it's really not ridiculous to expect passable skill from people near the actual ilvl req.

The person I responded to said the dungeons weren't speedrun-able at the req ilvl. First time runs are a different conversation.

Fine if you disagree with me, but if you're gonna try and cite my life story at me again, please get it remotely close to accurate.

You responded to me...

That life story stuff just proves how big of a dbag you are... There's really no point in continuing a conversation with a kid like you. You stated you were farming them though... You are claiming that I assumed something that you clearly stated...

You can't pull an entire dungeon when in gear that is the same ilvl as the dungeon you are playing unless you know exactly what skills to interupt and exactly where to go. Even then, you can't do it in many of the dungeons. If you are claiming you can, then you arent speed running like a normal group does...

Also, unless you just have no clue how to advance your character, how were you doing multiple runs of each dungeon and still in the minimum ilvl requirement gear?

[Ashkendor]

You responded to me...

Actually he responded to this person:

wear gear appropriate for the level of the dungeon and tell me mobs don't hit hard.

Fool. We're outgearing dungeons by more than 20 levels, ofcourse it's easy!

and then you started in with him. He never said that speed running was for first timers. That's a ridiculous assumption. He simply said it can be done in level appropriate gear. As for your question about gearing, tomes weren't thrown around at launch the same way they are now which made things horrendously slow when it came to grinding out your tome gear. The devs have devoted a lot of time and effort to making it easier and easier for people to catch up. I started in 2.1 and even then, saving up for myth gear sucked. The tome rewards from each dungeon were pretty crappy and you could only get 450 per week. I can only imagine that it was even worse at launch when you could only get 300.

Also, unless you just have no clue how to advance your character, how were you doing multiple runs of each dungeon and still in the minimum ilvl requirement gear?

Level appropriate doesn't necessarily mean still sitting at the minimum ilevel requirement. o.O

[Cirgellon]

Level appropriate doesn't necessarily mean still sitting at the minimum ilevel requirement. o.O

If you are over the minimum level, you have outleveled it. Why would the make the difficulty for someone ilvl 110 if the dungeon opens at ilvl 95?

Also, he was clearly responding to me as I was the one who made the speedrun comment...

Tome gear would have been well above those dungeons. That isn't what I was saying. Maybe we differ on what qualifies as over geared but that response doesn't refute what I said. I just ran this stuff with a group near minimum item level. They really aren't as easy as people try claiming. They are easy, if you do them right. They aren't just faceroll with no thought unless you have done them a lot or are overgeared. The difficulty is tuned for exactly what it should be, new player(to the dungeon) in minimum ilvl gear.

[Malevicton]

Did you skip the part where I said "The person I responded to said the dungeons weren't speedrun-able at the req ilvl. First time runs are a different conversation"? Did you just skip everything I said? cause it's starting to look like you just skimmed a few keywords and made up the rest to suit what you felt like saying :P

Stop putting words in my mouth. At this point I've explicitly said multiple times that I'm not saying they're faceroll easy, just that you can do sr at low ilvl, and you keep trying to twist it into the opposite; I haven't left much of my opinion up to interpretation at this point. It's getting awkward that we're having to argue over what I'm even trying to argue. When in doubt, I probably know more about my own opinions than you do.

And I'm certain that it's possible because I've done it. You're free to not believe me, but at least have a counter argument better than "No it's not." Have you ever tried? Do you have anything more than your gut feeling to support yourself?

[Cirgellon]

... lol

Thanks for proving my point.

[Dante_V]

So the OP has hate taken from him and the DPS lives and this is an issue because? He wishes they would die? The game should kill them because they are doing too much dps?

I get the argument that the dungeons should be harder (obviously we over gear them by quite a bit at this point) but the reasoning that its so they should kill your teammates because you can't control aggro is a bit silly and selfish honestly.

[Dante_V]

If no one is dying there is no issue. Complaining that not enough people are dying is a little absurd to me. I dunno.