The broken FFXIV Holy trinity

[Allyrion]

then why do we have cleric stance.

Well, considering Yoshida said they never expected healers to really dps and never tuned with that in mind -
I think it's safe to assume Cleric stance was made for healers to level and do story instances mostly.

That said, they aren't against healers dpsing either and said they would allow it for top players to push cutting edge content or just for play style.
They're not tuning raids to require it, but they're also not stopping players from having the option.

But yea, Cleric Stance was probably really just there to make it easy for healers to solo.

[Dervy]

then why do we have cleric stance.

Clerics stance was an aid to allow Healers to DPS whilst levelling and during solo/duo content. This was mentioned during beta and release of 2.0. If you've played any other MMORPG, a healer is pretty gimped at levelling and progressing through quests without the aid of a DPS or tank, nothing more. YoshiP even mentioned somewhere, (can't remember where it was) that the games mechanics are balanced between the Tanks and 4 DPS roles. They do not take into consideration Healers DPSing when optimising/balancing raid content.

[Zfz]

then why do we have cleric stance.

So people who start their character as healers aren't getting the short end of the stick.

Yoshi-P publicly said that encounters are balanced without consideration to healer dps at all. They are just leaving that option open for people. Healers can DPS. But the design intent was not that healers are supposed to DPS.

[Cherie]

If played at launch, we know that the trinity was doing fine in dungeons. The dungeon AK at 2.0 launch, before the nerf, was way hard and even harder with only darklight at best. There was no pulling the entire room. Long after we overgeared it, they decided to nerf it *then* because people thought it still was too hard.

The problem isn't it's "broken," its the fact that people complained and told SE to break it. It's our fault. It's what we wanted.

We should be careful what we wish for, we might get it. Now all lvl50 dungeons are cakewalks. The healer can die at like 90% on a boss fight and you can make it with maybe a blm casting a cure occasionally and still win. That's the game we are in now.

If you want a harder dungeon, you have to go level sync into like aurum vale or something. That dungeon still has bosses that can kill you quickly... Oddly they never went back and nerfed that one. Not saying it's actually hard, just harder than "HM" lvl50 dungeons.

[Mercuito]

If played at launch, we know that the trinity was doing fine in dungeons. The dungeon AK at 2.0 launch, before the nerf, was way hard and even harder with only darklight at best. There was no pulling the entire room. Long after we overgeared it, they decided to nerf it *then* because people thought it still was too hard.

The problem isn't it's "broken," its the fact that people complained and told SE to break it. It's our fault. It's what we wanted.

We should be careful what we wish for, we might get it. Now all lvl50 dungeons are cakewalks. The healer can die at like 90% on a boss fight and you can make it with maybe a blm casting a cure occasionally and still win. That's the game we are in now.

This ^ is what i'm saying.

[RiceisNice]

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You have to look at the dungeons relative to other dungeons and required things tied to it , not by itself. Prime example would be pharos. It was significantly harder than the other two dungeons in the same tier, for the exact same rewards. AK was required for relic quest which would've fallen behind as content got further, to the point that no one really gave a shite about AK unless it's the roulette (and we still see this now in regards to chimera and hydra)

1. There are several skills involved in tanking and holding hate. However running into a group of 20 mobs and maybe poping cooldowns and then spamming your aoe taunt is not skill.
2. I don't understand why you think simply increasing damage is not good enough. It's so simple and it solves the problem for all mobs and all classes in one go. Adding boss mechanics is such a complex way of solving the problem which might not work and will take a lot of work. My solution can be done in 1 afternoon.

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1. Neither is taking 3 mobs at a time and letting them hit your face. Even if you were to increase their damage, and unless its a signifcant amount (I'm talking tank buster levels like flatten or critical rip), the healer is going to either fall asleep or start dpsing because it's very little damage (which...breaks the holy trinity concept since healers are dpsing now)
2. Forecast what damage increasing does. Do you want it to do enough damage enough to the point that we can only pull 2-3 at a time even if we're overgeared? If so, what about players who aren't overgeared? Not to mention this slows down the dungeon significantly and it just becomes tedious. If it gets to the point that we need ot use cooldowns, that's even worse esp if you're a warrior because those are minutes apart, again slowing down the run for really no good reason.

[Solaria_Luna]

-Snip-

We should be careful what we wish for, we might get it. Now all lvl50 dungeons are cakewalks. The healer can die at like 90% on a boss fight and you can make it with maybe a blm casting a cure occasionally and still win. That's the game we are in now.

-Snip

Wait a minute BLM can't cast cure. I lost my ability to use conjurer skills on BLM when I became BLM. Only skill that comes close enough is Physick.

[RaijinSupreme]

Then go play ffxi. What happens in ffxi doesn't have to happen in ffxiv. 2 different games regardless of them sharing the first two words in their names.

I just hate when people say that this game should be like that game and vice versa, when the easier and more plausible option for that person would be to play the game that you are using as the comparison.

[Nadirah]

Problem with overgearing it and speed runs leads to folks thinking that's the norm and the instant it gets harder again, folks bitch the can't finish the dungeon in 10 minutes again.

When I started here I was so happy to see dungeons were aoe festivals like in wow but then I hit level cap...

God forbid you can't speed run(not enough gear) folks ragequit.

[SDaemon]

Problem with overgearing it and speed runs leads to folks thinking that's the norm and the instant it gets harder again, folks bitch the can't finish the dungeon in 10 minutes again.

When I started here I was so happy to see dungeons were aoe festivals like in wow but then I hit level cap...

God forbid you can't speed run(not enough gear) folks ragequit.

One thing that perpetuates this is that SE constantly releases dungeons/trials that the majority of the population already over-gears. Ex. Allowing everyone to gear up with i120 gear and then releasing content that builds up to i120 is a redundant system. It is one thing to lay down groundwork and build up. But SE isn't building from the ground up, they are building from the top down.