3.0+ Midgardsormr Progression Thread

**Curia_Regis** · 06-08-2015 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Arrak

I think track as many groups as you can keep up with and only limit it with what you think you can handle updating. You can also ask people to label the groups in their FCs. For "Group 1 clears xxxx" or "group 2". Then if that FC posts a recruitment thread, interested players can look to this thread to see how that particular group actually did.

Here's the 2.0/2.1 list courtesy of Kaen if you want to link it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...0De6GdMnKsapfs
And as much of a dick as he was, Litaph did create the original thread (even though he copied it from METHOD), if you want to include him in the credits.

Credits and a link to the original have been added, thanks for the link.

**Curia_Regis** · 06-08-2015 06:53 AM

Sorry for all the edits and posting, but I've again edited and restructured the thread. Since it seems there is interest to list kills on a raid group basis from others than just myself, I've re-done the list to reflect this. I've updated the OP with the structure and rules for the new system, so please refer to the post for a detailed breakdown of how the system will work.

**bwa** · 06-08-2015 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Curia_Regis

Sorry for all the edits and posting, but I've again edited and restructured the thread. Since it seems there is interest to list kills on a raid group basis from others than just myself, I've re-done the list to reflect this. I've updated the OP with the structure and rules for the new system, so please refer to the post for a detailed breakdown of how the system will work.

Hmm...I like the idea of keeping track of individual group kills within FC, but I don't think that we should be counting multiple kills withing an FC towards the server top 10. FCs regularly share clear videos, tips, and even macros with their raid groups. Additionally, I'm guessing the lock-out system for Alex Savage will be a lot like the one from FCOB: individuals who have cleared content for the week will be able to re-enter raids to help other groups. That doesn't really make for a level playing field as far as competition goes!

**Data** · 06-08-2015 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by bwa

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That would be a valid argument if we're talking about world first clears. Historically, Midgardsormr has cleared content after world first videos had already been released. Which means the information regarding a given turn is already available to everyone.

Also, regarding the lockout/help system, did they say it would be available for savage mode? I thought it was only for the normal mode. Either way, any clears done with helpers that have already cleared should/would not be added to this progression list. The screenshot of the clear should show full 8 new people that are not present in any previously recorded kills.

I think it would be an insult to NOT count different groups within an FC towards the first 10 kills.

**bwa** · 06-08-2015 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Data

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The system will likely be the same as FCOB, but we'll just have to see. There's no way to prove whether or not a clear was done with helpers; I'm sure you can think of plenty of ways that groups could cheese that system if they wanted to, including playing on alts, subbing people in at the last minute, and just general coaching.

Server first clears on Midgard were before world first videos were released with the exception of T13 and maybe T12. Even then, extrapolating from a POV clear video is completely different from having someone who can tell every member of your group exactly what they need to be doing at any given moment.

**Curia_Regis** · 06-08-2015 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by bwa

The system will likely be the same as FCOB, but we'll just have to see. There's no way to prove whether or not a clear was done with helpers; I'm sure you can think of plenty of ways that groups could cheese that system if they wanted to, including playing on alts, subbing people in at the last minute, and just general coaching.

Server first clears on Midgard were before world first videos were released with the exception of T13 and maybe T12. Even then, extrapolating from a POV clear video is completely different from having someone who can tell every member of your group exactly what they need to be doing at any given moment.

I understand your concerns. You want to preserve the integrity of the list.

Re: Limited spots on the list - Forbidding FCs who have multiple raid groups from posting more than one clear more or less defeats the purpose of putting this raid group based system in to place, as opposed to the previous FC/Linkshell based system. The whole point is to acknowledge the achievements of particular groups. This way if an FC has more than one group and a particular group achieves server first/second/third/etc for one fight but not another... it highlights that. I think it should also encourage people to take the competition seriously because they'll be able to really see the fruit of their efforts with this system.

Re: Integrity of kills and sharing strats/etc - As long as an additional kill for the same FC is 8 differing individuals from any/all previous kills from that FC, this is something unfortunately that I don't think we can really police because this issue can repeat itself in various forms ad infinitum. I'll demonstrate what I mean by this: "Did you get strats/info from your fc? Did you happen to be friends with someone on another server who gave you super awesome info or a private youtube video of a kill because you're not on their server and it didn't matter anyway? What if you and a friendly FC are working together to share info on the fight to progress faster? What if 2 raid groups that are friendly are doing the same thing and don't even have an FC?" As you can see in all of these examples, using your line of reasoning, we would need to invalidate every single one of these kills because they're not 100% truly organic in and of themselves. I think it's just too circular to ever really seriously police something like this. We'll need to monitor kills and use an honor system to maintain the list, but it's a pretty safe bet to assume that no FC group is going to seriously halt their progression on new turns just to go back and play someone else's characters just to claim spots on the list. I know my FC doesn't operate this way at least, and I assume that others would have the same integrity to respect what this list is and what purpose it serves.

**Curia_Regis** · 07-23-2015 10:21 AM

Alexander (Savage) - The Fist of the Father (Floor 1) cleared!

Raid Group: KaibaCorp
FC Afilliation/TAG: Curia Regis <<CR>>
Website: www.curiaregisffxiv.com
Kill Date & Time: 7/22/13 @ 6:17 PM PST

**d4gz** · 07-23-2015 10:25 AM

grats on server faust

**Taitai** · 07-23-2015 03:09 PM

Raid Group: Pichu☆Magica
FC: Snorlax <zZz>
Website: snorlax.me
Kill Date & Time: 7/22/15 @ 10:55 PM PST

**Enkida** · 07-24-2015 11:46 AM

Alexander (Savage) - The Fist of the Father (Floor 1) cleared!

Raid Group: Mom's Friendly Robot Company
FC Afilliation/TAG: Curia Regis <<CR>>
Website: www.curiaregisffxiv.com
Kill Date & Time: 7/23/13 @ 7:42 PM PST

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