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    Question about Astrologist Draw ability

    So I was listening to a Mr.Happy video about astrologist, and he talked about the Draw ability being on a GCD with a 15 sec cd. So if you use draw you can't heal for 10-15 seconds. Is this true, if so I might just rethink using astrologist.
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    That's not how it works at all. Draw allows you to draw a card, whereupon you have a certain amount of time to use the card on someone, Spread it, Shuffle it, or Royal Road it for another card. If that time expires and you haven't used the card, it simply disappears and Draw goes onto cooldown. Draw has a cooldown of 30 seconds, not 15. Buffs on the card have a duration of 10-15 seconds, IIRC. So what would happen is, you Draw a card, perform an action with it (whether you actually use it, set it aside, or Shuffle/Road for a new one is up to you), then as soon as the card is actually used, Draw goes into CD, allowing you to cast other spells while you wait for it to come back up. You likely won't be able to perform any other spells while Drawing and USING the card, but once you've used it you're free to act again.

    Does that make sense? Sorry if my explanation isn't that great. :/
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    Since it has a set cooldown (like Virus, Presense of Mind, Benediction, Eye for an Eye, spells used via Atherflow stacks, ect) and I'm assuming its cooldown isn't effected by spell speed, it's probably just a mis-translation. Otherwise Astrologian would be more like a really bad support than a healer if all they could do is draw cards every half minute or so, lol.
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    Last edited by Selli; 06-06-2015 at 09:28 AM.

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NtIJ2uFnFYw

    Here's the video. He talks about it at 11:50.
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    I've seen the video, but take everything said with a grain of salt. None of this stuff is actually released yet so there is no way to verify that the information is 100% accurate. Until everything is officially released and we can actually see for ourselves, most of this stuff is at the mercy of translation.
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    The way I understood is that you use the skill [draw] to draw a card, the skill immediately enters on cooldown and you have some seconds to [use], [shuffle], [Royal road] and such. The [draw] skill would then be instant and you should be able to use your other skills until you [use] the card, although it's not recommended, cause the card will disappear soon.

    The skill [use] - that should be on GCD - wasn't revealed, but I can't imagine another intuitive way to make it work...


    EDIT: Now I'm thinking differently: When you [draw], the [draw] icon turns into your card icon, then you can use it. After you use it, it will enter on cooldown for 30 seconds. But I don't see a way where it locks your other abilities, I think they will be available...
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    Last edited by Roxas_Andrade; 06-06-2015 at 01:12 PM.

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    The way drawing works as far as the press coverage and skill translations.
    Keep in mind all of the other skills are tied to draw and not each other so you don't shuffle a spread or royal road

    draw: you draw a card, then the draw skill will change into the card itself. Until the card is used up in some way the cooldown for draw itself won't start again. The cooldown is 30s and supposedly the cards only stick around for 15s before vanishing on their own
    shuffle: just changes the card on your draw button to a different one, stated to have a 60s cooldown
    spread: moves the card on your draw button to your spread button, apparently it will hang on to the card indefinitely, and then resets the cooldown on your draw skill.
    royal road: discards the card on your draw button and draws a random empowered card on your royal road button

    outside of draw itself having a global cooldown, the rest off the stuff should be off global cooldown just because the logistics of invoking 2-3 global cooldowns to drop a single buff would make it very hard to justify

    the way i see the bigger card skills working is spread you could use it before a fight so you can drop 2 buffs right away and then every cooldown it could just be treated as an extra card or save a particular card you know will be very useful within a minute or so. Like if you draw the damage reduction and know a tank buster skill is coming up can spread it and just hang on until it's needed
    and then royal road is kind of like a double down, It costs you a drawn card and it's own cooldown then you might get something great or you might get something powerful but unneeded

    Astrologian reportedly also has another skill that extends buff durations. Considering how ridiculously over the top that would be with some things like hallowed ground, chances are it is also a card skill designed specifically for the card buffs
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    Last edited by Nihility; 06-06-2015 at 04:37 PM.

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    Not to be the typical hater, but MrHappy is renowned for his "approximate" guides. Everything he says is to take with a grain of salt.
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    I think your misinterpreting it.

    I've seen multiple sources say yes it is on GCD, with a 30 CD, so it would work as follows.

    - Hit the draw command.

    - Draw command becomes the card you've just drawn for 15s and your GCD resets meaning you can't cast for the GCD amount (around 2.5 seconds)

    - Carry on healing as you would.

    - Use your drawn card on a player

    - Draw then goes into a 30 second CD.

    Basically draw will mean you can't spam draw and heal at the same time but you will still adhere to your normal GCD after using draw.

    tl;dr it'll trigger your normal GCD, but have its own seperate cooldown timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcat9715 View Post
    So I was listening to a Mr.Happy video about astrologist, and he talked about the Draw ability being on a GCD with a 15 sec cd. So if you use draw you can't heal for 10-15 seconds. Is this true, if so I might just rethink using astrologist.
    The job is called Astrologian. I'm just going to assume you are on your phone and it autocorrected this for you.

    You misunderstood the video. No where did he say you cannot heal for 10-15 seconds when using draw.
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