New glamour dress on a male (art)

[Samcaesar]

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Can you explain to me the differences between the Yukatas? Because the one on men PCs looks like it was lazily put on, while the one on girl's looks like it's just being worn properly not a good example of "Men's clothes" imo. You're trying to give examples of "Female clothing" by only showing sets that the girl PCs can wear, you've yet to give a definition of what "Female clothing" even means. Does it mean long and flowing with poofy aspects to it? Because lots of robes and skirts are like that too. Does that mean tight and form fitting? Because the Flame's loincloth and subligar are like that as well. The OP made a variant of the outfit for male PCs and I still don't see how it looks like "Female clothing". I mean, this is a game where you can wear this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0.png~original This is on a male PC, note the Midriff but covered chest (Much like the bunny set), the shoes that are basically heels (Well, minus the heel part, but you get what I mean), and the incredibly tight pants. If that's not feminine, then I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.

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Except SE can and should do it. Japan isn't a monolith and at the end of the day I'm sure plenty of stockholders just want to see the money continue being pumped out. FFXIV is a cash cow right now and I doubt making some of the current girl's only sets available for men is going to kill that.

Well.. What about One Piece and the Okama? While they're kind of a joke they're also very important characters and the protagonist of the series is great friends with them. Again Japan isn't a monolith, and it's not like SE couldn't just "Lol here's the dress FOR THE LULZ THOUGH don't wear it seriously EVER! wink wink nudge nudge."

Like, people send each other death threats all the time though, hell celebrities get them so frequently Stateside it's almost hilarious if they weren't things like "I'm going to cut your throat open". Look at the model Kayo Satoh, who maintained being a very popular model and street fighter player even after coming out to the main public that she was transgender. Or this Japanese comedian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaki_Sumitani to which I'm pretty sure what he did, which made him even more popular, was hardly "Maintaining his image". SE being the massive company that it is is able to do this sort of stuff though, they can actually take risks because currently FFXIV is making some big bucks and they owe it to the fans.

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What I really don't get is, if they wanted to not worry about modeling from the girl model to the boy model, why not just start every set with a theme on the men then model it for the girls next?

[No2631]

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I really think this is a big thing that SE should own up to. I get that every company must deceive its customers at some point, but this is just really low. And I totally understand that giving players more options is great, like giving female characters access to male clothing. Those arabian open vests do reveal some chest, so a female version would need to have adjustments... which I understand is OK to do. Why can the same effort not be applied to male characters? Why does Square-Enix favour female characters? Is it because Yoshida's Lala is female?

From Zhexos's response, it's obvious that Square isn't bothered by cultural nonsense and is just concerned with (or pretends to be concerned with) technical limitations. But if female clothing to male clothing presents problems due to differences in character models, why does going from male to female not present those very same problems? I don't get it.

[lololink]

To me it's not a crossdressing outfit that I ask for, but the same outfit modified for male bodies. Which can be done easily for that dancer gear ( and for the bunny outfit ) by simply modifying the chest pieces.

[Fantasy9]

After 14 pages I begin to wonder why this no-gender phenomena is so popular all of a sudden? I bring this up because the way gear is in this game is the same way gear is in almost every game before it and it will not be the last. So what if you can't wear a dress as a male, it is not the end of the world. I swear, this latest generation of players need to grow up and learn that the reality of the world is that just because something becomes a new fad doesn't mean that you should force your new-age opinions on everyone else. I also despise these kids getting all angry that something is not bending to their opinions.

[Evantide]

To the people complaining about paying for a game, and they should be able to wear whatever they want...ff14 is not a sandbox mmorpg, so you pay for what the devs design for you. In addtion to that: I am quite sure that nowhere in the terms of service does it say that player's are entitled to such requests.

[Arkann]

(...) just because something becomes a new fad doesn't mean that you should force your new-age opinions on everyone else. I also despise these kids getting all angry that something is not bending to their opinions.

Pretty funny (again) considering those who "force their opinions on everyone else" are those who say "I don't like it, so you can't have it, get out of my sight". Same for the "kids" who get angry. The hypocrisy is strong in this thread.

I am quite sure that nowhere in the terms of service does it say that player's are entitled to such requests.

That's rich.

[Yamimarik]

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I'm sorry this is solely your opinion, not based on facts. You do not know (or apparently don't read the OP.) the real reason why this is an issue for several of us. It is an underlining issue that keeps rearing it's ugly head at us of inequality, which in this day and age shouldn't be such an issue.

You have given no facts, that this outcry is based on some "trend" what trend? What are you talking about? I have no clue honestly.

You're making baseless assumptions of several peoples age in the thread..., how do you know this information? Aside from the obvious trolling, there have been good points given and good retorts given through out the thread, you seem to only want to focus on the seemingly negative aspects of the thread as a whole, which is not the entire thread.

I come from a middle generation of gamers, not too old, not too young. I don't see this as a generation gap either, personally I don't see the point in attacking others just for having an opinion. The Devs have opened up communications with us in the past, and want our feedback. This isn't new information, and the invitation for open discussion has never been rescinded either...

So again, what is you're trying to get out with your post?

As for the topic on hand, I haven't been in the thread for awhile, and I had completely forgotten that quote that is now floating around about what was said about finally making more gender specific gear for males. That really saddens me that, it doesn't even take an outcry anymore for female characters to obtain unisex gear automatically out the gate, and those who want it for male characters seemed to be shunned. As far as the Dev's and Mod's attention, I assume Heavensward is taking a lot of time and energy and most likely won't see this issue addressed till after launch. Which is when they'll most likely get to the nitty gritty of addressing a lot of unanswered issues at the moment.

[Ashkendor]

So what if you can't wear a dress as a male, it is not the end of the world.

By that logic, it wasn't the end of the world for females to be unable to equip the Gambler outfit and they should've just kept their traps shut and accepted it. Instead, quite a few people threw an enormous fit about it and it was changed.

I swear, this latest generation of players need to grow up and learn that the reality of the world is that just because something becomes a new fad doesn't mean that you should force your new-age opinions on everyone else.

It has nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with the clear bias shown toward female characters. Most people would be perfectly fine with males not being able to wear dresses if 90% of the "male" glamour options weren't actually able to be worn by females as well. We don't get "female exclusive" and "male exclusive". We get "female exclusive" and "unisex".

[Fawkes]

By that logic, it wasn't the end of the world for females to be unable to equip the Gambler outfit and they should've just kept their traps shut and accepted it. Instead, quite a few people threw an enormous fit about it and it was changed.

It was never changed. It was always equippable by everyone, and people threw a fit for no reason.

The devs don't see most of the things we post, and even if they did they could never react that quickly. It takes them at least 3 months to do a thing.

[Eidolon]

It was never changed. It was always equippable by everyone, and people threw a fit for no reason.

We actually don't know one way or another if it was equippable by both.

The original Gold Saucer pictures showed Males in the Gamblers outfit, and females in the Bunnygirl outfits. There was a huge explosion of pure rage on the forums, and then later on we were told it would be equipable by females.

I might be wrong on that one, though, but I do recall all the topics -DEMANDING- that Girls be allowed to wear the Boy's outfits, which was the major point he was making - Female characters often complain about their options (See the AF design of dragoons, for another example) but the moment the reverse comes up, it's suddenly "Not meant for males" (many female-only outfits) and that we need to be happy with what we have.