New glamour dress on a male (art)

[Avalt]

There once was an Au Ra named Raeth, who was so upset about the gender locked attire he took it upon himself to send a message to Square Enix.



Your move.

(source; http://falanyr.tumblr.com)

[KaijinRhada]

Your move.

(source; http://falanyr.tumblr.com)

Best thing I have seen all day (even more uncanny since my intended Au Ra looks remarkably like the one there). *_*

WTB this outfit for my guys!

[abzoluut]

Every once in a while these "men should be able to look like women" threads pop up. They always end up like this..

[lololink]

Every once in a while these "men should be able to look like women" threads pop up. They always end up like this..

It's not about looking like a woman but having the same gear or equivalent, except for the chest piece that would need to be changed to be closer to the chest of a man, that gear could totally work on a man, just see the above picture, that Au Ra doesn't really look feminine.

Also I still think a chest piece closer to the MNK AF2 coming with HW would look good for a dancer outfit.

[abzoluut]

It's not about looking like a woman but having the same gear or equivalent, except for the chest piece that would need to be changed to be closer to the chest of a man, that gear could totally work on a man, just see the above picture, that Au Ra doesn't really look feminine.

Also I still think a chest piece closer to the MNK AF2 coming with HW would look good for a dancer outfit.

That's not how it works. Just because you say it does not look feminine, does not make it a fact.

Threads of this nature indirectly touch upon the "men should be able to look like women" subject, hence how this thread turned out right? There is maybe one lost thread out there of a female character player that wanted to wear male exclusive gear. It's also someone from a NA server who instagates these kinds of threads 9 out of 10 times.

Now, these are facts.

[Gramul]

That's not how it works. Just because you say it does not look feminine, does not make it a fact.

Threads of this nature indirectly touch upon the "men should be able to look like women" subject, hence how this thread turned out right? There is maybe one lost thread out there of a female character player that wanted to wear male exclusive gear. It's also someone from NA server who instagates these kinds of threads 9 out of 10 times.

Now, these are facts.

I'm pretty sure those are speculations based in expectation and hearsay.

I mean, how would you define femininity? As the quality of being female. But how do you define being female? The only objective definition "is of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes." ie. XY.

And that's pretty much it. Everything else is social contract. And I have yet to hear an argument I find strong enough that supports the idea that one must adhere to those so strictly.

I mean. Why does it upset anyone? What's the true core problem that causes so much duress in some people?

[kyuven]

I'm pretty sure those are speculations based in expectation and hearsay.

I mean, how would you define femininity? As the quality of being female. But how do you define being female? The only objective definition "is of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes." ie. XY.

And that's pretty much it. Everything else is social contract. And I have yet to hear an argument I find strong enough that supports the idea that one must adhere to those so strictly.

I mean. Why does it upset anyone? What's the true core problem that causes so much duress in some people?

I've said it before but it doesn't matter why it stirs up duress in people, it only matters that it does.
This thread is 40 pages of people arguing why or why not men should be able to wear dresses. Specifically, one of the most feminine dresses (by STANDARD Japanese and STANDARD North American, I can't speak for Europe, societal perceptions of masculinity and femininity) the development team has ever come up with.
It doesn't matter whether WE like it or not. It only matters if doing so would cause more problems than not doing so.
The very fact that there is even a point of contention is likely their reason for avoiding the issue in the first place. Which is a VERY Japanese thing to do.
Again, the "Why" is not important. Only the fact that you have to ask why in the first place is important.
"But why is it ok for women to be wearing the masculine outfits?" you ask.
For the opposite reason: They would catch more heat for keeping the outfits locked to men than they would for making them wearable by both genders.
There's also one simple, irrefutable fact: In Japan and America, if a woman walks into work one day wearing pants and the next a skirt, no one will say a word.
If a man walks in wearing a skirt, he attracts attention. It may be as simple as some co-workers laughing about it around the water cooler, or it could be as bad as getting called into the boss's office. And drawing attention to yourself in Japanese culture in such a way is frowned upon.
You may not like it, and to be honest I'm not happy about it either, but this is simply reality.

[Radacci]

Why is it such a problem that men and women are different? and why do ppl want to blur the line, so badly? or pretend there isn't any line?
There was this campaign some year ago "We like different" I think it was against racism, but can be applied to sexuality, and gender as well i guess.
Ethnicity, culture, color, heritage is important to a lot of ppl; if you take that away from them, or say it doesn't matter, you're basically a racist.
Gender identity is also important to ppl, so if you take that away from ppl, you're basically a sexist.
It's not equality to remove the distinction. It's equality to celebrate both as distinct, and equal.
If you wanna cross the line, go ahead, but don't force others to conform to your view; calling them sexist, if they don't.
You can give a boy, lots options, like pink clothes and barbies - most are still gonna pick cars, action figures and guns, and wrestle and play war; cause it's what THEY WANT.
It's not an illusory stereotype, it's how we work. Of course there's plenty of variations, but there's a norm for a reason, and that is cause men and women ARE different, both physiologically and psychologically.
Kids don't turn gay, cause they got 2 dads, and you're not going to not be masculine, just cause you had feminine stuff to choose from. Options are just options, they don't make a difference; you're who you are - nature and nurture are different things, and nurture isn't gonna change your nature.

[Ymal]

Wh-

This is about being able to get the same amount of gear no matter if they are feminine looking or not in a video game, why is this turning into a 'gay isn't a choice' and 'being different is okay' kind of thing??
I just want my dude to be able to wear nice clothing, it doesn't have anything to do with sexuality or gender or whatnot, just that the devs stop being lazy.

As a femroe player, I honestly don't see why any of you guys would want it.

Well many of us have shown a huge interest it in, players with female and male characters, so thank you for your visual description but if you don't like it you don't have to worry about it then no?, like it is for every piece of glamour in this game. I personally liked it and like I showed in a previous post SE has been found of giving men their own bra even if they have nothing that needs to be covered.

[Noxifer]

"But why is it ok for women to be wearing the masculine outfits?" you ask.
For the opposite reason: They would catch more heat for keeping the outfits locked to men than they would for making them wearable by both genders.

So.... They would catch more heat for giving women one outfit and men one outfit (as long as they are comparable, not like in the case of zetzer vs bunny).... than they would for giving women two outfits and men one outfit? Let's apply the same equality to other things. Female characters get two loot drops per week from Alexander, men get one. Or vice versa: Men get two rolls and women get one. I'm sure that would go over well =D

Gender identity is also important to ppl, so if you take that away from ppl, you're basically a sexist.
It's not equality to remove the distinction. It's equality to celebrate both as distinct, and equal.
If you wanna cross the line, go ahead, but don't force others to conform to your view; calling them sexist, if they don't.

....Yes. Right. Equal. That's what this thread is about, actually. Male characters being given the same amount of options for glamour as female characters. And if female characters get to wear the male counterpart to this outfit, why would it then be fair to lock the female counterpart to female only?

Of course, most boys are going to choose male-labeled clothing and male-labeled toys and games. Because just like girls get told they're not real girls unless they like pink dresses and makeup (sometimes outright, sometimes merely through looks and genderdirected advertisements), boys get told they're not real boys if they like to play house or cook or wear skirts. Or, gods forbid, like pink.
Does that mean it's right to keep believing toys or clothes only belong to one gender? (Or, in the case of boys' clothes, belong to both genders...) Or should it rather be an individual choice, no more right than wrong? =D

But that's not what this thread's about ^^