More complex dungeons

[MXMoondoggie]

Yeaaah as I've said before when people bring this up jumping through hoops just doesn't really work in an MMO. People are looking to do runs as quick as possible to maximize a farming session this is not like a single player Final Fantasy where they can shove loads of puzzles in knowing you won't be completing the same content over and over again daily. I've played games where they added these sorts of things to dungeons and as mentioned above once people know what to do it just becomes easy and a chore to do. Like in Tera there was a boss that had these coloured totems that in the hard mode were invisible except the first one so made it harder but once people posted the solution to the puzzle everyone know each order for each starting colour so it became simple. Same with all the other puzzles in the dungeon like killing two bosses at the same time and jumping platforms to find switches.

Do you want to do that every day for a 3-4 month patch cycle? No. Maybe that sort of content would work for a long raid with multiple bosses where the challenge is not just kill bosses and trash but to navigate traps and pathways to find loot but i wouldn't want it in basic farming content and roulettes.

[Anty]

Yeaaah as I've said before when people bring this up jumping through hoops just doesn't really work in an MMO. People are looking to do runs as quick as possible to maximize a farming session this is not like a single player Final Fantasy where they can shove loads of puzzles in knowing you won't be completing the same content over and over again daily.

you are right but... for me that is mainly because of the dullness of the content. There isnt even a surprise if you run it the first time (maybe one at the last boss or so but lately the "new 3 dungeons" all had same patterns coming with them, making them even less interesting to play - also not for the first time).
When i did WP HM the first time with ls mates.... half way we all were "damn that is extremely boring" . long hallways with mindless trash etc. etc...

If contnet is more varied, harder and more challenging, then it will not be on "farming mode" on day one.

[MXMoondoggie]

If contnet is more varied, harder and more challenging, then it will not be on "farming mode" on day one.

Which will lead to lots of complaints and whining. People want things to be on farming mode because for the majority of players this is not their only game. They want to be able to get a new set of gear and then play something else until the next update happens or even in between farming heavily to reach caps in a few days. An MMO just works differently to most games for the majority in players in what they want from it. When you over complicate things and only pander to 10% of players by making everything super difficult or overly complicated you lose your audience.

I do agree they could do better within what they have though there is too much simple tank and spank in the game and that does bother me. Amusingly enough in the last EXDR update there were a lot of whiners early on complaining that it was too complicated lol. KotL i recall got most of the complaints especially the final boss but it wasn't like they were asking that much of players.

What i really think they should do is improve raid content beyond go into a circle and kill a boss or some trash mobs. Make raids epic with various difficulty levels and make them drop more rare loot the higher difficulty you complete. Make them into epic excursions where you encounter varied paths leading to different encounters and puzzles. With an entry level setting and more advanced you give newer players an access point to learn while allowing more experienced players the chance to really challenge themselves.