If you disable cleric stance during combat, when would you use it?

[VanilleFang]

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I've personally run into healers who refuse to use CS. They will sit at 100% MP aND do nothing if healing is not required.

I have run into healers who cast Cure II and Medica II randomly, and do nothing else.

I've had co-healers who did nothing at all.

I have never seen a healer try to be a 5/6th DPS.

[Atlaworks]

I've personally run into healers who refuse to use CS. They will sit at 100% MP aND do nothing if healing is not required.

I have run into healers who cast Cure II and Medica II randomly, and do nothing else.

I've had co-healers who did nothing at all.

I have never seen a healer try to be a 5/6th DPS.

You should really buy a jumbo cactpot ticket.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

That's exactly what is being said.
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...-Event-5-19%29


The dungeons are designed against the DPS output at the minimum ilevel minus 15% to clear it.

Right, here's where you make up your own little story again. You should pay closer attention to this part:

Yoshida: Yes. Since all DPS jobs will be increasing up through level 60, it makes sense to have the white mage's DPS extend by a proportional amount as well. For development, such as with Bahamut's Coils, the development team assumes what the item level should be for general equipment on players when they clear a raid. They sum up the basic DPS for four DPS and tanks at that assumed item level and cut that by about 10-15% for the minimum clear DPS. Healer DPS is not taken into account when this is set.

Meaning: BCOB turn 2+ weren't designed for i70, SCOB turn 2+ weren't designed for i90 and FCOB turn 2+ weren't designed for i110. While those were the highest level equipment obtainable before you could do coil - With exception of BCOB as it was introduced with the maximum item level at that time.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Erm...

If I can be completely honest, half the time I queue as healer because I can pull out a lot of dps, with the minor annoyance of having to occasionally throw up a heal or two.

[ZeratoTyrael]

I don't get what the fuss is all about. In other games I've played, MMOs included,(FFXI, WoW, Rift), I DPSd as a healer when incoming dmg was low all the time, this is hardly a new concept.... I learned that way before one of the well known "Healer DPS", the Discipline Priest, even became popular in WoW. In fact, I learned it in FFXI when I started playing WHM and RDM. Even for how awful MP regen was in that game back then I still found opportunities to toss out dots and occasional nukes... Here it's served on silver platter and much easier to do. It just made perfect sense to me back then and it does even more so now. If major healing isn't needed and I have plenty of MP...why not make use of my abilities and all the lost MP from sitting at a full mp bar for too long (talking about effective MP because of natural regeneration). It's not mandatory in the slightest. It's simply additional utility for those of us who actually enjoy using it and squeezing a bit more efficiency out of our time and role. Think about it like this: average BRD Joe doesn't ever have to sing a song to fulfill his role as DPS, but great BRD Yuna (lol) knows when and how to use the songs to help her party. If you're not trying to min/max you're role then just don't use it, no big deal. Just don't try to push your beliefs on others. There will always be bad healers and bad players of any role, that doesn't mean to get rid of things that other players can make use of.

TLDR: The fact of the matter is, Healer DPS is UTILITY. Not the main focus of the role or needed at all times, nor is content balanced around it being there. However, it is there when the opportunity avails itself. You either use it or don't use it, you like it or don't like it. Just don't get upset that someone else can find success while using it effectively.

[Caiera]

I don't see what all the fuss is about, as a WHM I have always jumped in with some DPS when I have been able to do so, the cleric stance is simple enough to use, jumping in and out if required at a press of a button.

[DarkmoonVael]

To answer the OP, i dont think there would be any application for this move then. It is a pure combat move, so disabling it in combat would make it useless.

And to add to the kind of tangential discussion going on here. Healer DPS in progression raids is needed, and i doubt you would ever find a healer in a progression raid group that doesnt dps. Any other content, healer DPS is entirely optional, as many people have said here and in other threads. What healer DPS is not is all or nothing, you can heal and dps, its not one or the other.

Also, cleric stance is one of the biggest skill testers on a healer, i said this in another thread and will reiterate it here. There are healers that cant use cleric stance, healers who wont use cleric stance and there are those that will use cleric stance. If you lack the skill to use it or refuse to use it, dont start this self entitled rubbish about how it has to be removed due to your jealousy of those who can use cleric stance. It is an absolutely necessary tool for people like me who run healer in a progression bases raid team.

Also, what are you going to do when there is no healing to be done, sit around twiddling your thumbs?

[SecretCrowds]

If cleric stance is disabled in combat, then I won't ever use it anymore. Because I would quit playing a healer.

[416to305]

If cleric stance is disabled in combat, then I won't ever use it anymore. Because I would quit playing a healer.

Exactly the same here. I forget when it was, but I had started as Bard and I was levelling CNJ for some reason, maybe some cross class skill I forget. Before I had acquired CS (or might have had it but was inexperienced and didn't really understand how to use it) I remember thinking man this class sucks, it's taking me 3x longer to level than any other class I've done, thinking that it was because it was a healing class and therefore only good at healing. So I totally hated it, I was like I'll never be able to do main story quests when I'm so much weaker than my Bard. Then when I tried it again months later and learned about CS it was like ohhhh, and now I find WHM is one of the best classes because you can do crazy damage on solo content (Holy is the best on group mobs) but can also heal yourself. If there was no CS then I'd be totally out. I think people just make these stupid topics just to stir things up, I mean who in their right mind would actually want CS to be removed?

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I play as a tank in dungeons. I don't really consider myself skilled enough to tackle the bigger fights. That said, I appreciate a healer who is able to keep my alive. If they can do that adequately, I am satisfied. I will not push for stance dancing because when I play healer I don't feel comfortable doing it. I just expect their best. And I'm even more happy when the healers go above and beyond what is expected.