ishgard

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That's the thing, our characters were ousted from a city before (Ie Ul'dah) and it also has market boards and houses various important NPCs like all the class guilds. The story keeps pushing that Ishgard has something up with it and it needs to be changed, I'm not saying we're going to go up to Nidhogg and do a sweet ollie off the Pope's corpse and highfive Nidhogg, but we've got very little reason to trust Ishgard as it is. Especially considering Thordan VII was shown with the Ascians, I don't really see them being so buddy buddy with us either, at least not for long.

It doesn't, but Haurchefant's issue was Francel is obviously not a heretic, not that it's not wrong for Heretics to be executed in such a cruel way (Even though I doubt any of those executions were actually heretics). Halone is a goddess of war don't forget, and I'm not sure her principles are completely inline with Aymeric's pragmaticism. Besides, he had more pressing concerns than slaughtering heretics, what would happen if Shiva wasn't an issue at the time? Heck, if we're looking at a good difference between faithful and blind, look at the Brotherhood of Ash and the Sahagin beastmen tribes that are friendly to us. They see no reason to pursue in the activities of their more zealous counterparts, and were ousted from society in the Brotherhood's case.

Iceheart probably is being played, but I wouldn't be surprised if we were being played as well. I mean, I'll be curious how SE takes the story once we begin to learn about the past (As we still have the echo). Considering this is a war where going up the the Ishgardians and asking them to give Nidhogg's eye back and be nice to the dragons won't stop it, I don't blame her for summoning Shiva, it's the same desperation that beastmen go through and the same desperation I feel that Ishgard is about to go through. Can you really blame her though? Ishgard has no remorse for those heretics she's killed and I don't think even the more pragmatic ones do either, it's all a matter of desperation. I'll be willing to cut Aymeric some slack the second Aymeric starts going "Shoot.. Maybe killing those Heretics isn't the best idea and there's better ways to end this war."

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At least while entering, for sure! And this is FFXIV, of course both sides are being played against each other because of the Ascians :P Grubby little shadowy shadowless people. She's definitely being played, to what degree, I'm not so sure though, it's the Ascians they love controlling every aspect and also just winding the key on things. Don't worry though! You'll have plenty of time to bop her head, just run Shiva EX more :P I want to bop every Ishgardian on the head for the whole thing that occurred there in 2.0! We'll probably get more closure towards that as we begin our route of ending the Dragonsong war.

Gosh I really wish there wasn't a 20 post limit-24 hour thing >_>