Holy Deeps Batman: A WHM Speedrun Guide.

[Jin_]

Hello players interested in bettering their time spent in dungeons. I can promise you an increase in Commendations, and the thrill and heartbeat spikes of being the best you can be.

Shit is situational. Adapt, (every run is slightly different as tanks are people and not machines,) and don't rush to the meat of your rotation. And know if it just won't work... sometimes there is not enough oomfph or know-how.

As soon as you zone in start casting Stoneskin II. Then protect when the loading circle falls. I usually don't stoneskin the slowpokes unless it was the tank.

I am quite overgeared, current Expert: Roulette, you pull everything to a stop and most tanks do it anyway. The altars with trash of WP HM can be done in 2 pulls with most parties, but you really need to sprint and stoneskin the tank as he gets them. First is 2 groups, then it's the last 3 to the door. You will have trouble with 3, ask for mage LB or remind the tank of their 5min ability being used early.

High: Roulette current playlist of dungeons has more variety in what pulls can be made. But as a full i130 WHM with 2 i110 rings that are DPS minded and a crit stick zeta... I like every pull to any door or stop. It's just easier with current gear. But I've been doing it this way for long before max gear.

The plan: potency+ HoT with Holy spam and burn down mobs before you run out of tricks.

I don't cure once I've prepped and started the Holy spam. I often get about 6 out before I need to tap off cleric and cure2 the tank. Sometimes, I'll simply bene them between holy and continue burning them down. Remember to move to stop casts while trying to bene for those oh shit moments.

When I zone in typically the most important thing i say asap, is, "Pull everything always, and convalesce once they are gathered." If I have time before they run off, or you know how to auto run and type, I suggest ask to claim everything so I can stoneskin otw (with sprint and line of sight consideration). Can you tell I am always in DF? (having to bother to ask simple etiquette.) I don't know why some tanks ranged at something they run through. Use the GCD for flash run through.... If the mobs aren't there, pause a sec then flash.... not hard....

Ok shut up and state the rotation:

On the way: stay up front with tank, don't aggro though, stoneskin as he pulls first set, then sprint, try to stoneskin after each new set or when they take a few hits, being near full when you start rotation at the kill spot is important.

At the kill spot: Eye for Eye if you didn't on the pull > Divine Seal > Cure II if necessary which WAR usually is > Medica II > Cure2? > Regen tank > Regen yourself? might need to > Cleric > If tank is low already I will Chainspell Holy to get that 3 sec stun asap, tank should have popped convalesce > If I didn't use swift cast on first I use it for second holy so the stun resistance doesn't happen so fast, no effect doesn't count as your 3 before resist > a few holys, target is on tank and eyes are on his hp in party bar (what buffs is he active with?), you MUST dodge the aoe, not the first few (ty stun) but super important after stun is useless > if you and your party are strong enough, sometimes I don't even have to cure until the swarm is halved and/or dead, if dead, be mp savvy and just stoneskin for auto-regen otw to next engagement.

A good tactic for the thicker pulls is the tank to use their 5min ability at the start of the pull, it is a tool, not an oh shit, and you don't need it on bosses.... like ever. This allows you to get those HoT up so you can get the trash thinned out before you and the tank have burned your best cool downs.

I hope the atrocious aesthetics of my layout don't discredit the solid game plan I am offering. It works for all the trash pulls and I am constantly getting good remarks and commendations. I use ACT... I see it working very well. In some crystal tower trash pulls I am top dps with often 1000+ DPS. Although CT are easy and you only need 1 healer, I tend to play DPS letting the other healer actually be engaged and solo heal us, and maintain 300-350 DPS depending on my MP. Speaking of single target DPS and bosses...

Single target DPS goals: keep Aero2 full time, Aero1 and fluid toss when you have to dodge, if you have far to run, spam aero1 while moving, it has initial dmg and its better than nothing. Have ethers handy, use shroud for mp, thank bards who see you are worth ballad. I never ask for ballad, and I try to never ask for a moment to get mp. You should know when to back off, or simply downgrade to just healing. Dumping hate with shroud is super useful and I hope you know you can use it between holy on those massive pulls above. Anyway Stone2 and presence of mind is wicked DPS. If you are struggling with MP just maintain both DoTs while you wait for ether cooldown or shroud. I use HQ Mega Ethers, cheap to make and lower cooldown, like 3:35?

Most of all HAVE FUN. If anyone is on gamepad and wants... I could bother giving my layout and the reasoning.



TL;DR E4E > DS > Med2 > Regen > Cleric > PoM > Holy > Swift > Holy x7 > Bene when needed - ask tanks to use convalesce and/or HG/Holm

[Jin_]

and one more thing.... challenge youreself: always offense in Ceric and never cure unless you drop it. Weave that cleric!

the challenge? always have DoTs up on boss.

and DS med2/regen in boss fights are awesome, that's how I find the time to get 200-250+ dps while main healing

DS is 1min recast, med2 lasts 30 sec, DS every other, and often just leave low hp until ds is back. If ppl can dodge, this works really well

Also if you have done DS med2 and a dps gets hit, just toss a regen on em while in cleric, adds just that little bit, and not so much hate.

Hate is never an issue shroud wont fix. If it is an issue and the huge hate dump of shroud wasn't enough, it's your tanks fault, not yours.

[Cynfael]

One thing I would suggest is omitting unnecessary Medica IIs for fluffing the tank prior to Holy rotation. I don't find that it's worth the time (during which the mobs are still beating on the tank) and MP to stop and cast; I proceed right into Holy stunlock.

[aerolol]

One thing I would suggest is omitting unnecessary Medica IIs for fluffing the tank prior to Holy rotation. I don't find that it's worth the time (during which the mobs are still beating on the tank) and MP to stop and cast; I proceed right into Holy stunlock.

This.
Also, a divine seal + medica2 will attract A LOT of unnecessary aggro towards you WHM.

[Jin_]

Well, I would agree to disagree, most tanks can handle it, as soon as they hit me, I pop Shroud, and continue, the HoT will refill me, and the tank usually has the attention for good after that.

Edit: if you go straight into Holy spam, you will be out of cleric sooner than later and doing the caretaking work, instead of the few more holys that could reduce the incoming damage and allow you to continue.

I've rarely had hate issues over medica2, just run to the tank, a flash or 2 and it's a non-issue

[whiskeybravo]

I've been enjoying holy spam in dungeons recently. WHM was my first 50, but got left behind for a long time while I mained tanks and drg and leveled up all the classes. I kinda forgot how ridiculously fun it is to blow up things with Holy spam lol

I personally forego the Med II, just stone skin, divine seal, regen on the tank. E4E if avail, PoM > Holy is enough to get off 5 or 6 in a chain.

One trick I learned that you probably know but didn't mention, you can turn off cleric while casting. It won't turn off until the cast is done, but after popping 5 or 6 holy it's about time for a heal usually, so pressing the cleric stance button while casting the last holy, it will que it and turn off immediately once it's done being cast. The same can be done with PoM and shroud, prolly divine seal too

[technole]

I've rarely had hate issues over medica2, just run to the tank, a flash or 2 and it's a non-issue

Like the others I think its a bit of a waste on MP and possible aggro to use medica 2 on a pull, the tank should be the only one getting damage anyway so having DS+Regen, and E4E if it's up should be more than plenty to cover before going clerics.

[Jin_]

Like the others I think its a bit of a waste on MP and possible aggro to use medica 2 on a pull, the tank should be the only one getting damage anyway so having DS+Regen, and E4E if it's up should be more than plenty to cover before going clerics.

Ah yes, but when you have 2 melee dps and still do the whole pull, they are gonna get in aoe. Also the stack of HoT is like 2k a tick, and again, I don't have aggro issues with it, it WILL turn them all red, and you shroud, poof green, and almost done killing them all.

And yes, cleric toggle will count during a cast and take effect next gcd, its great for rolling into a cure2 from the Holy's


And MP management... by the time to open the door, run to the boss and Stoneskin2 full cast saving swift... you are full from 0

This only works if you pull everything, so the cd's are all complimenting each other. If you just get a few groups at a time, it is incredibly wasteful. You need a brave tank who knows what an all out WHM can do.

[VanilleFang]

This feels really... braggy. Like, you talk a lot about yourself and what you have. I've rarely seen a "guide" that does that. I think its best just to state what you do, and give general tips, and then ask for feedback.

Besides dealing with speedruns really depends on how comfortable people are with specific things. Everyone isn't always comfortable with how things are done by someone else. This isn't the be-all-end-all of speedrunning as a WHM yet you make it out to be just that.

[Cynfael]

If you like to use Med 2 this way, that's fine; there are worse options, for sure. I just find that the fairly minor HoT doesn't make the difference between being forced to drop CS sooner or not, but getting down to the damage and stunlock faster can.