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    Felis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrini View Post
    And 2) there is NOTHING that allows a girl to have an open vest with a bra underneath... A jacket yes (kirimu coat, bard only) and a couple poofy shirts maybe... But not just a vest. Why is this a bad thing to want? The general consensus on girls getting previously planned to be male exclusive gear is "it looks good on them" well let us look good!
    Ok, how about this?



    Picaroon's Jackets, exist for DRG, MNK and NIN (in different colors)

    SE have already changed enough "male only" gear into "all gender" gear. Let this time the males their exclusive gear.
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    Last edited by Felis; 06-05-2015 at 01:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Ok, how about this?



    Picaroon's Jackets, exist for DRG, MNK and NIN (in different colors)
    That's actually nice, but that character of mine is purely a tank. So she could wear a bikini but she can't wear a small open vest with a bra? Their reasons for class restricted glamours get flimsier with every glamour set... And gender restricted is a shame for tomboys and drag queens!

    And as for asking for girls to wear the guys clothes... I'm asking for both! Not my fault they only are willing to go guys to girls and not vice versa! They need to stop it!
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    Last edited by Terrini; 06-05-2015 at 01:48 AM.

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    Can they clarify if it'll cost an arm, a leg and ur 1st born child? Cuz this much hype for 1 glamour set but with no info on how to obtain it makes u wonder if it'll be easy to get.
    Plzzzzzz seasonal event, don't want to grind more mgp/ dump millions of gil lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    Can they clarify if it'll cost an arm, a leg and ur 1st born child? Cuz this much hype for 1 glamour set but with no info on how to obtain it makes u wonder if it'll be easy to get.
    Plzzzzzz seasonal event, don't want to grind more mgp/ dump millions of gil lol.
    It'll be crafted gear. The ingredients will all be exclusive, and therefore must be personally obtained by the crafter. One exclusive ingredient will come from desynthing a four-star fish, so the crafter will need to be a master-level Fisher and 110 CUL Desynther. Two of the other exclusive ingredients will be drops from the final two stages of Alexander (Savage), so the crafter will also need to be a top-end raider. The remaining ingredients, while still exclusive, will thankfully only require Tomestones - the higher level tomestones, of course, meaning the crafter will need to forego buying equipment in order to pay for them. They'll need to master Alexander (Savage) while wearing their old ilvl 130 gear.

    You can expect roughly one or two pieces (not sets, pieces) to begin showing up on the marketboards per month once Alexander (Savage) becomes available. Please look forward to it!
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    Yoku Dekimashita
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrini View Post
    That's actually nice, but that character of mine is purely a tank. So she could wear a bikini but she can't wear a small open vest with a bra? Their reasons for class restricted glamours get flimsier with every glamour set... And gender restricted is a shame for tomboys and drag queens!

    And as for asking for girls to wear the guys clothes... I'm asking for both! Not my fault they only are willing to go guys to girls and not vice versa! They need to stop it!
    Yeah! I wanna cosplay Aladdin from Disney and The Magi! x)
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    BLU confirmed hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by NozomiKei View Post
    SE started out really well keeping everything even between the genders but they've been getting worse and worse lately about making gender exclusive outfits. Even more insulting sometimes is that the male exclusive outfit will be made unisex while the girls still get a unique sexy set (I can't help but think it's because we have [likely] straight males in charge of so much of this game.)
    This is such an absurd criticism. I understand where people are coming from, but I really hate the angle most people use.

    Are we just going to selectively forget that genders don't have different styles in culture? One is "MALE" and the other is "FEMALE" because they took the culture it's inspired from designates them as such.Of course they could both wear eachother's clothing, but then it would have to be designed to be gender neutral. Allowing females to wear male clothing could be described as "GENDER EQUAL", but i assure you, it's about 90% more likely for females to desire the male variants than for it to be the other way around. And FFXIV already does this. It's because it's rare in culture for a bunny suit or frilly skirt to be associated with masculinity. That's pretty much snuggly reserved for comedy or drag.


    So i could care less if the male/female variants are gender exclusive or not. The vast majority of gear in this game is gender NEUTRAL. And if you want them to support drag, then maybe you should ask, but saying it's insulting is completely unfair. They have no obligation to make outfits conform to what you think is fair, especially when so few people would benefit.

    I can see asking for gender neutral, i can even see asking for cross-dressing, but if you're offended by their being such thing as a "Male" or "Female" outfit, that's just you feeling entitled.
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    Last edited by Edellis; 06-05-2015 at 03:10 AM.

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    I wouldn't mind if it was gender neutral like the Patrician set and look a bit different for males and females and look slightly different in style! The point is that they are denying some things that make no sense to deny... Like thos crisscrossed leg straps! If that's part of the "skirt" couldn't guys get an equivalent? Even without the skirt? Give them shorts instead! The main complaint is they're just going "this for guys" and "this for girls" and not even trying to arrange for something that brings the gender neutral elements of the style to both males and females.
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    ~Terra-chan~

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    Maral Malaguld
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    Hey, you could give that vest to girls too, bra or no! It'd still cover what it needs to for a T-rating!!
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    In general, clothing can be described as decorative, or as functional. For example, a doctor's scrubs can be considered functional; it is purposefully designed to aid a doctor in performing their duties, and whether it's a man wearing them or a woman, neither is considered to be cross-dressing. Military fatigues are another such example.

    A tuxedo can be considered decorative; its purpose is to show off one's wealth and taste, and it is meant to be worn by a man. When a woman wears such a garment, they are considered to be cross-dressing. Ditto goes for a formal dress; when a man wears one, they are considered to be crossdressing. Almost all decorative clothing is expressly designed with showcasing the gender of the wearer in mind, along with any other functions.

    For the most part, SE has been very good about ensuring that functional gear is very similar between the sexes. When equipment is meant to be the uniform for a specific class or type of class, it tends to be very similar between genders, with only minor modifications due to the fact that men's and women's bodies DO differ slightly in shape.

    SE has also included decorative costumes for players to enjoy, and it doesn't bother me that these costumes DO vary greatly between genders. As I noted, decorative costumes are intended in part to showcase gender. If SE had left it at that, with female costumes for females, and male costumes for males, there probably wouldn't have been as much of a fuss. Unfortunately, SE didn't stop there, and went on to make a large proportion of their male-gendered outfits available to females. By not doing the same in making female-gendered outfits available to males, suddenly females had a much wider variety of costumes to choose from - even male characters who had no desire to crossdress could see that such a thing is patently unfair!

    For the most part, I, personally, am perfectly content with the idea that decorative costuming choices are restricted by gender. I do agree, though, that it is irksome to see this kind of blatant imbalance with one gender being allowed a host of crossdressing options, and the other being allowed none.
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