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  1. #121
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    Blueyes's Avatar
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    Blue Plenilune
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by LycorisSelunis View Post
    One thing bugs me. If aspected benefic/helios are the only ones to benefit from sect...why learn diurnal at 30 with no spell that it affects till 34. Speaking of, blm learns enochian before either blizz4 or fire4, so wtf good does that do either?

    Wondering of the sects affect some other stats as well like perhaps diurnal increases spellspeed and nocturnal increases crit or some such....
    Oh a while back someone mentioned that Diurnal Sect had an added +10% healing potency while Nocturnal Sect added +10% spell speed, if I remember correctly. (Would make more sense the other way around with spell speed affecting healing over time.) I had no idea where that information came from and basically discounted it due to the lack of verification. It might actually be a thing.
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    Last edited by Blueyes; 06-17-2015 at 06:22 PM.

  2. #122
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Brynhildr
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    It would make sense. Stance gives passive buffs, someone said Enochian gives a small (maybe not small) damage buff as well.
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  3. #123
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    Level 58 - Collective Unconscious - Spread Buffs from Target to other Party Members
    I hope they release more information about this soon. This ability feels like it can so blatantly OP that it needs some clarity on it. Specifically how long of a duration and what kind of buffs it can transfer.

    "Party wide massive damage? Everyone stack so I can give Sentinel to everyone!"
    "DPS burn part! Everyone stack so I can give traited B4B and Royal Roaded Spear to everyone!"

    Etc Etc.

    Yeah, I need to know more about this ability @_@
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  4. #124
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    Lorelei Diangelo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I hope they release more information about this soon. This ability feels like it can so blatantly OP that it needs some clarity on it. Specifically how long of a duration and what kind of buffs it can transfer.

    "Party wide massive damage? Everyone stack so I can give Sentinel to everyone!"
    "DPS burn part! Everyone stack so I can give traited B4B and Royal Roaded Spear to everyone!"

    Etc Etc.

    Yeah, I need to know more about this ability @_@
    I'd say it's reasonably safe to assume that this ability will only work with Astrologian's card buffs...
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  5. #125
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    I'd say it's reasonably safe to assume that this ability will only work with Astrologian's card buffs...
    It is a reasonable assumption to make at this time. However, you never know >>;...
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  6. #126
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    pandabearcat's Avatar
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Yea there is no way it is an unbounded "all buffs for everyone".

    Esp if there are fights where certain targets get some buff, like a massive dps buff or tanking buff, etc.

    Also, cheese mechanics with whole party hallowed ground.
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  7. #127
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    Tetsu Taru
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    Might as well just give them a raid-wide buff that grants everyone hallowed ground, 30% haste, 30% damage buff. They already got practically everything else.
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  8. #128
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    Lumin Sundrye
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Nocturnal Sect has +5% healing potency, and Aspected Benefic has a higher potency when in Nocturnal.

    Diurnal Sect increases attack speed by 5%. I assume that means the GCD.

    Diurnal Benefic and Helios also have HELLA regens in Diurnal sect, but the Nocturnal barriers seem underwhelming. Helios is almost as good as Succor, but Benefic is significantly weaker than Adloquium and there's no double shield mechanic.
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  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDriedRainbow View Post
    Nocturnal Sect has +5% healing potency, and Aspected Benefic has a higher potency when in Nocturnal.

    Diurnal Sect increases attack speed by 5%. I assume that means the GCD.

    Diurnal Benefic and Helios also have HELLA regens in Diurnal sect, but the Nocturnal barriers seem underwhelming. Helios is almost as good as Succor, but Benefic is significantly weaker than Adloquium and there's no double shield mechanic.
    Aspect Benefic DOES seem to be instant-cast, though... Being able to shield a party member on the fly while dealing with raid mechanics almost makes up for its lower potency and non-double-crit effect. I almost suspect a nerf to Diurnal Benefic, though...the regen effect on that skill makes it CRAZY powerful. O__o
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  10. #130
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    Aspect Benefic DOES seem to be instant-cast, though... Being able to shield a party member on the fly while dealing with raid mechanics almost makes up for its lower potency and non-double-crit effect. I almost suspect a nerf to Diurnal Benefic, though...the regen effect on that skill makes it CRAZY powerful. O__o
    Not sure why it'd be nerfed.

    WHM: C1 400, C2 650, Regen 21s 150 potency for 1050, Divine Seal available for 1/4 uptime of 30% increased strength, then other stuff like C3, Benediction, 700 potency Lustrate equivalent, Assize for 300, Asylum for an 800 Regen field
    AST equivalents: C1 380, C2 620, Regen 190 heal + 18s 100 potency for a total of 790, then the 400 Lustrate equivalent, the 50% heal from target to target, and then the seemingly useless channeling field with potencies completely unworthy of channeling

    Honestly to me the healing output of AST looks incredibly underwhelming. About the only decent thing I can say at this point is AST's M2 equivalent is only 80 less initial potency, otherwise it's the same spell which is pretty important. Seems to me like they're making AST deliberately the weakest healer in return for their card buffs and a couple buff extenders, which if you get the good ones can admittedly be quite strong (like 25% attack up if Royaled).
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 06-19-2015 at 04:07 PM.

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