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    Quote Originally Posted by User201109011315 View Post
    Well I just saw you once complaining about FFXIV being so uncolourful before, so i naturally assumed you had an axe to grind against the art direction. But clearly I've let my imagination get the best of me.

    Oh. Why can't you link them? Is it some kind of infringement policy or do you just not have the link? I haven't seen those images, unless they're really old, in which case I probably have seen them.
    sorry ahem, I'm at work. But honestly I should scan them if nobody else is going to do it.
    I know from experience that art direction for games is a MASSIVE task I cannot stress that enough. It takes a lot more than just drawing pictures. I can't even fathom what it would be like for a MMO.

    Now on top of that Yoshida was tasked as an AD for 2 other games at the same time. I think it doesn't take a genius to find out that it's a really bad resources management move.

    There has been a lot of complaints about the 3d modelers doing half hearted job of including all the details and details of the concept images. Maybe he just couldn't be there to see the details are done properly. Either way when you're doing 3 projects at once I don't think he can be blamed if it all doesn't come together like in the games where he had only one project on the way like FF XII for example.

    Artist's are usually the ones that have to overwork the most but no matter how you slice it stacking the work of 3 people on the shoulders of one guy just isn't fair. Especially since they didn't use the Kusanagi group of artists to help like they have done with every other FF title since VII. It's a wonder these games look as good as they do as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    sorry ahem, I'm at work. But honestly I should scan them if nobody else is going to do it.
    I know from experience that art direction for games is a MASSIVE task I cannot stress that enough. It takes a lot more than just drawing pictures. I can't even fathom what it would be like for a MMO.

    Now on top of that Yoshida was tasked as an AD for 2 other games at the same time. I think it doesn't take a genius to find out that it's a really bad resources management move.

    There has been a lot of complaints about the 3d modelers doing half hearted job of including all the details and details of the concept images. Maybe he just couldn't be there to see the details are done properly. Either way when you're doing 3 projects at once I don't think he can be blamed if it all doesn't come together like in the games where he had only one project on the way like FF XII for example.

    Artist's are usually the ones that have to overwork the most but no matter how you slice it stacking the work of 3 people on the shoulders of one guy just isn't fair. Especially since they didn't use the Kusanagi group of artists to help like they have done with every other FF title since VII. It's a wonder these games look as good as they do as it is.
    This speaks so many truths.

    Unfortunately what usually occurs when one person does excessively well at something is the company he works for usually then give him multiple things to work on in the hopes that he can make all of them a success like he did making the one singular thing a success.

    What this actually results in is that one person getting many things in these 3 things mixed up as he has to try and memorise but still be able to seperate these 3 things in his head, and remember diffiferentiate between these 3 things when trying to remember part of one of them.

    Essentially, trying to pat your head whilst rub your tummy AND dance the flamingo all at the same time.

    This problem happens in many aspects of game creation, which is why sometimes you notice something in a game that feels like it's mixed up, be it musically, artistically or scriptually.

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    What I mentioned just happened to me infact right after posting this as when I looked at the post I had replied to I thought it had been about Yoshi when in fact it was about art. Luckily the reply I had posted is able to viewed in context regardless of if it is about Yoshi or an artist.

    That being said, I think me being affected by said problem is a sign that I need to go and get something to quench my thirst, then eat some food, and unwind a bit.

    On a minor note before I do that though, I'd just like to say I'm very happy to keep seeing "This message is hidden because User201109011315 is on your ignore list." as I now read through the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    sorry ahem, I'm at work. But honestly I should scan them if nobody else is going to do it.
    I know from experience that art direction for games is a MASSIVE task I cannot stress that enough. It takes a lot more than just drawing pictures. I can't even fathom what it would be like for a MMO.

    Now on top of that Yoshida was tasked as an AD for 2 other games at the same time. I think it doesn't take a genius to find out that it's a really bad resources management move.

    There has been a lot of complaints about the 3d modelers doing half hearted job of including all the details and details of the concept images. Maybe he just couldn't be there to see the details are done properly. Either way when you're doing 3 projects at once I don't think he can be blamed if it all doesn't come together like in the games where he had only one project on the way like FF XII for example.

    Artist's are usually the ones that have to overwork the most but no matter how you slice it stacking the work of 3 people on the shoulders of one guy just isn't fair. Especially since they didn't use the Kusanagi group of artists to help like they have done with every other FF title since VII. It's a wonder these games look as good as they do as it is.
    When you are Art Director, your biggest task is Quality Control, so it's basically just signing off on stuff. The key is delegation. If he delegates the right people, and trusts them explicitly to manage the projects to the same standard as he would, then it's possible he could oversee three projects, although his input in each would be limited. Obviously he can't be in three places at once, but with the right people on his staff, he might as well be.

    I think quality is pretty good in FFXIV. Graphics is the best thing about FFXIV so it's a bit pedantic to make a fuss about that.

    But at the same time, I can potentially see how stretching your art director too thin could be a huge problem.
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    Are artists not allowed to work on several different projects these days or something, cuz, y'know, there's more than XIV these artists work on and put time into...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi View Post
    This game looks great, looks like a Squaresoft game. I keep saying Square need to create more new franchises. It shouldn't be all about FF, DQ and KH. The World Ends With You is still my favourite game on DS.
    Funny you should say this.

    “What about if you stopped all the rehashing of Final Fantasy?” - Hironobu Sakaguchi

    “We’re planning to!” - Takashi Tokita, SE developer

    ^_^
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    Looks and sounds alright, but what's up with the ludicrous name?
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    Oddly, Wiki doesn't have a wiki about that new game the OP was talking about. =(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Looks and sounds alright, but what's up with the ludicrous name?
    Engrish and abuse of English, isn't it great? xD (And we can't forget Theathrythm for the DS lol) SE combining random words..
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    Well, I guess it sounds better in Japanese.
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