Poll: Gear progression, horizontal or vertical?

[Catsby]

Horizontal or neither.

the current gear treadmill discourages the one of the game's strongest and most unique features; all classes on one character. I stopped playing more than 2 jobs once the tomestone nonsense got out of hand. I don't mind collecting a set of gear for each job. I do mind collecting a set of gear for each job every few months. f that.

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[kyuven]

Horizontal or neither.

the current gear treadmill discourages the one of the game's strongest and most unique features; all classes on one character. I stopped playing more than 2 jobs once the tomestone nonsense got out of hand. I don't mind collecting a set of gear for each job. I do mind collecting a set of gear for each job every few months. f that.

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That's...actually precisely why they do it.
They need to make things more difficult or players complain.
They need rewarding, meaningful content or players complain.
Thus, they stagger content and make it progressive.
If you don't like it...hate to say it, but you probably won't be happy with where the game will be going.

[Shuon]

vertical/hybrid that inclines towards vertical.

I really liked xi... but on hindsight I felt really gimped without Kraken club, o kote, leaping boots, peacock charm etc.

Maybe some insanely good loot at lower level that have higher level counterparts? But then I guess it doesn't sit well with the ilevel requirement.

[Otoha]

Funny how most of the people choosing vertical say "oh it's because with horizontal I might get excluded from content"; when the only content you might get excluded from, you probably don't even do to begin with. The main reason they want vertical is because they want to feel strong with their big numbers.

Btw, Horizontal

[Sapphic]

Funny how most of the people choosing vertical say "oh it's because with horizontal I might get excluded from content"; when the only content you might get excluded from, you probably don't even do to begin with. The main reason they want vertical is because they want to feel strong with their big numbers.

Btw, Horizontal

I want it to stay with vertical gear progression and in a static that cleared all (except savage) pre nerf. Plus I've experienced first hand with XI how the so called "Horizontel" progression was pretty much an illusion because of the preferred build for each gear swap and base sets.

Vertical progression makes new gear desirable* by having it be better in most cases that previous gear and also having different models. Horizontal progression has a tendency of making only a few pieces desirable until better pieces appear.

Which is vertical progression as you are replacing gear with higher level gear. Albeit not every piece initially.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Which is vertical progression as you are replacing gear with higher level gear. Albeit not every piece initially.

True, FFXI style "Horizontal" Progression isn't true Horizontal Progression.

If your needing to constantly switch out gear. Then that isn't horizontal. That ... is pretty much just vertical with needing different sets of gear.

Horizontal Progression means you can do content with any of the gear available, you just pick which one suits your play-style, trade-offs.

If you have to carry a set of gear for each content you do then its already just vertical progression with more sets of gear needed to do the job, for example gear that is better against skeletons. Now to take on the skeleton raid you need skeleton armor. That isn't horizontal. That is still vertical.

No, the swapping for the situation is true Horizontal Progression. Horizontal Progression is the term for increased situational capabilities from expanded equipment access without increasing the overall maximum capabilities in all situations.

The best example of a True Horizontal Progression occurs near the end of the World of Balance in FF6.
In the Magitek Research Facility you can find a total of 4 swords: Blizzard Blade (108 Atk, Ice element, 25% chance of casting Blizzard), Flametongue (108 Atk, Fire element, 25% chance of casting ), Thunder Blade (108 Atk, Lightning element, 25% chance of casting Thunder) and Stoneblade (117, Neutral, 25% chance of casting Break). All 4 weapons are roughly equal, but, depending on the fight, each can be better than the others.

[Aeyis]

No, the swapping for the situation is true Horizontal Progression. Horizontal Progression is the term for increased situational capabilities from expanded equipment access without increasing the overall maximum capabilities in all situations.

No, he's correct. If you ''need'' to swap equipment to fit the situation then its not longer horizontal since you dont actually have a choice in what to equip. Your example of elemental weapons is a good example of that.

[Instrumentality]

No, he's correct. If you ''need'' to swap equipment to fit the situation then its not longer horizontal since you dont actually have a choice in what to equip. Your example of elemental weapons is a good example of that.

There will always be one objectively correct set of items to wear for every single situation in a game whether or not it has vertical or horizontal progression.

So you could never have "real" horizontal progression or whatever the argument is.

[elemental10]

[Twilite]

Ok question for Nektulos-Tuor: Why you don't want FFXIV to be FFXIV ?