Peaple keep ignoring the message "one or more players new to duty" aperently

[Seig345]

Yeah that was a jerk thing to say to you regardless, but...

Even as a "veteran", if I'm coming back after a break for a few weeks, or I'm running a dungeon I haven't run in awhile because I'm insane and masochistic enough to try and upgrade my Relic *inane laughing*, I typically mention that it's been awhile. When I was catching up on the story a few months back, I'd outright point out that I was new in every duty I had to queue up for along the way.

Again, not that the treatment you got was warranted, but it's best to speak up at the beginning.

[Rocond]

So ran copper hm, haukke hm, phaeros today for first time

I'm getting a very bad vibe from the endgame comunity here

End game? Funny stuff.

[Adire]

It's a good idea as people have said already to mention that you're new at the start. I don't always even notice the game's message that people are new. The bright blue of party chat draws my eyes over to it, unlike the grey that the game's message is in.

What the tank said was bad though. And if people are insisting on pulling more than you can handle, that's on them as well.

[dekal]

That is the endgame community for you. Some tanks don't care for the healer if one of the dps is their friends. I was in a party where I was never asked whether or not i could heal appropriately ( back then when i wss still getting my HM dungeons unlocked)

When they were done watching their cut scene or loading screen, I told them to go slow. They didn't hear, and we wiped two times for the tank to say to his/her friend " I won't make a huge mob. I will go slow because the healer is still new to the dungeon."

I wonder when he/she was going to listen to me and talk to me (they were talking or on FC chat/voice chat/LS chat cuz the tank was responding to one of the quiet dps on the party chat)

[PArcher]

For me personally, if you don't say you're new, and I can't quickly pick out the new person (I've had the new player message pop up many times when everyone was geared around/over i110, and a few times everyone was almost 120 or more), I'm assuming we have a case of alts needing to finally run a dungeon they've been putting off. Sure, I'm not going to pull everything like I would with a BLM, BRD and WHM I know, but if I see a party that should be able to handle a double pull I'm going to do it. I'm also not explaining fights for you unless you speak up; my experience is that if no one asks, they don't listen, so not wasting my breath until they start speaking up.

If I can clearly pick out the newbie, or they say they're new, they'll get some help. But, they have to speak up to get it.



I'll agree with some others in the thread...dungeons, especially anything in the High Roulette, aren't endgame. Not even close...
And if the people trying to speed pull everything and ignore their party have no Dreadwyrm gear...they're not really endgame players either...

[Twilite]

Usually I don't say anything and just observe how others aapproach things.

If I'm not new and some one else is, usually the tank. And it's easy to tell because they try big pulls and die.

[Nutz]

I used to try to hold people's hands when I saw the new player message, but about 75% of the time I was told that they already new everything and this was just an alt, or they were in voice chat with one of the other party members who was explaining everything. Sometimes I've even picked out the new player (less than 3k hp) and they've told me that they're an alt so don't bother, only to find out at the end of the dungeon that another player with well over 4k hp was also new but never said anything (with varying consequences).

Generally though, just say that you're new and people will likely give you the cliff's notes to the bosses (but not tell you in which direction the next pull is or anything). Also, for me anyway, a new healer means tiny pulls since it's just suicide otherwise. Other people might be stupider.

EDIT: also consider that if people modify the way that they approach a dungeon too much then the very next time that you run it no 'new player' message will appear and people will run it like normal.

[Twilite]

End game? Funny stuff.

They arent eg content but most of the time you're with eg players.

[Sicno]

The whole thing is that the game ANNOUNCES when someone is new to a duty yet some ignore that. I think that's what op is getting to. There shouldn't be a need to openly say "hey, I'm new" when the game automatically does that. Especially because before you even have time to say that the tank already pulled an army on him. What's up with people assuming that every 1st timer is an alt and not an actual 1st timer?

Also people at endgame tend to not bother because by then they developed a god complex. "What could go wrong? Me and my buddy here are ilvl 91826398162."

[synesthetic]

I haven't personally seen anyone get kicked for saying they're new at the start of an instance, but regardless, it's best if you state you're new or need advice, because there are plenty of people out there who are willing to help.

As someone who does explain stuff, I only explain stuff relevant to the new person's role. Because explaining -everyone's- roles can take a while, and most people aren't too happy if something is explained for them when they don't need it. I also get a little tired if I have to explain the same stuff all day--lotta typing--so being brief is in my best interest, too.

I mean really, the run's going to be faster and smoother if everyone knows what's going on and the party doesn't wipe. People will generally take a moment to explain if they know advice is needed. And the game's announcement that someone's new isn't enough reason to explain everything for everyone, because as Nutz said, some people are on alts or are getting help from another channel or prepared themself beforehand; and if you're a new healer, you don't need me to explain a tank's or DPS' role, but the game won't tell me who it is that's new.
Whereas if you wipe, or there's chaos, because you happen to be in a crucial role and no one knew you had any idea what to do because you didn't say you needed advice? Nobody likes that.

If you don't ask for help, you don't get help. This is pretty normal both inside and outside of the game. There is no sign on you that says you actually -need- help, and we can't read your mind.