Primary cause of T5 Divebomb failures

[CGMidlander]

I've been in many, many T5 runs, and the primary cause of Divebomb failure seems to be this scenario:



Problem is, many people don't seem to get it when they are told to go deeper.

How do you teach people who repeatedly fail this, despite repeated instruction?

[Whiteroom]

It always seems to fail when you have that one guy who thinks its ok if they stay out a bit. They never understand what it means when you say. "Right up against the wall."
I always thought it was a straightforward bit of instruction.

I've also seen it where they stay out off the pit, get others killed, but they survive, and say, "See, you dont need to be in the pit! I stayed out and lived and those who went in died!"

[Fynlar]

If the wall didn't instakill you just for grazing it, I'm sure it would not be as difficult to get people to "go deeper" as you put it.

[CGMidlander]

If the wall didn't instakill you just for grazing it, I'm sure it would not be as difficult to get people to "go deeper" as you put it.

Staying too far out and risking a whole party wipe is hardly a better alternative.

[SarcasmMisser]

If the wall didn't instakill you just for grazing it, I'm sure it would not be as difficult to get people to "go deeper" as you put it.

It doesn't though, your player hitbox is tiny and you can have some of your character model in the actual line before you die.

Much like you, the problem is that most players don't understand how hixboxes work.

[Fated]

If the wall didn't instakill you just for grazing it, I'm sure it would not be as difficult to get people to "go deeper" as you put it.

I'd rather that one person die than take my entire party down because they're scared.

[synesthetic]

If people are willing to listen to explanations, then before the fight starts, show them exactly how far away to stand from the line.

If they still don't get it, then.. maybe ask them to move to the other pit, so they at least don't get other people killed if they get targeted. :x

If they don't want to listen, then better to save yourself and hop out of the group.

[Kiara1]

I've only ever done t5 with experienced people so I've never understood why people wipe at divebombs. I don't even understand how the mechanic works, all I know is, stand here when you hear a sound run away, and repeat

[synesthetic]

I don't even understand how the mechanic works, all I know is, stand here when you hear a sound run away, and repeat

It's because height elevation messes with AoEs. Most AoEs have a pretty limited vertical range. And as you can see for divebombs, it doesn't take much height difference to avoid getting hit.

Chimera's another example of how it's used; it's why everyone pulls Chimera to the tree on top of the hill, so that ranged people don't have to worry about Dragon's Voice, and then you only have to worry about silencing Ram's Voice to keep melees safe (although most players nowadays only know the hill part, and don't silence Ram's Voice).

[Sove92]

It's because height elevation messes with AoEs. Most AoEs have a pretty limited vertical range. And as you can see for divebombs, it doesn't take much height difference to avoid getting hit.

Chimera's another example of how it's used; it's why everyone pulls Chimera to the tree on top of the hill, so that ranged people don't have to worry about Dragon's Voice, and then you only have to worry about silencing Ram's Voice to keep melees safe (although most players nowadays only know the hill part, and don't silence Ram's Voice).

And this is why we now have flat circle arenas. Yoshi-P's explanation doesn't exactly explain why the arenas are actually circles, a melee isn't in any extra disadvantage in T1 than they are in the flat circles, it only explains why there are no hovering platforms etc. around with mechanics involved.