Why Removing Houses from inactive is NOT a solution.

[Kaiser-Ace]

This, so much this. Nearly everything they have done in HW so far feels like a subscription grab. Timer, upon timer, upon timer for everything, and now "keep subbing or lose your house(s)".

Not that I'm agreeing with the method, but to be honest it does make some sence on a financhial level at the verry least.

No Subscription means that they aren't making money off of that player and that means nothing to compensate for rge resorces they're using.

All I really hope is that it's judicial in practice targeting even Larger FC's that meet eviction criteria and not just smaller guilds and solo players who are on break too long.

[BunnyChain]

This is extreme extrapolation/data bias. If you only took 1-30 from from ward 3, then yes, you are sampling the most likely to be inactive wards (ward 3 non subdivision is one of the oldest wards, which seems to be your sample)

By sure subscription decay, wards 1-6 non subdivision are most likely to have the largest number of 'inactive' players. Since wards 7-8 and all the subdivisions came out more recently, one would expect the number of inactive players to go down. Plus you did not state your criteria for judging 'inactive'. If you just started observing recently, within the past month, that is not even within the proper time range for housing relinquishment anyway.

Even if your number is correct-- Great! 181 plots open up.

If you want to know I've checked a couple more, in the new Ward as you proposed.

Judgement criteria:

• no class above 50
• not unlocked any of the 3 new jobs
• no HW minions

Sample size 90; Lavender Beds, Mist and Goblet; Ward 8 31-60

Likely to be inactive: 17 (Lavender Beds 7-8, Mist 4 and Goblet 6-10) [fulfilling all 3 criteria]
Less likely to be inactive: 5 (some seem to have quit shortly after HW, e.g. having any of the above criteria but not much progress after that)

Taking only the more likely inactive characters/FCs into account = 15.3%

Reason for the increased number is likely to be the higher amount of personal houses in the new wards.

Wards checked and date:
180 @ 06-03-2015
90 @ 24-08-2015 (30 in ward 3 were checked earlier @ 06-03-2015, number increased)
90 @ 25-08-2015 (30 in ward 8 were checked earlier @ 06-03-2015, number increased)
Total sample size 300.

[Naunet]

Jubs is still waiting on the answer to the question of why some of you are defending removing inactive accounts that hit a certain timer of being unsubbed.

I have already explained why. At length. But since you apparently don't read, here it is in short:

1. With how much of an investment housing is, I cannot support removing that from players, no matter how long they are unsubbed. You don't take things away from your players.
2. The effect on housing availability will be miniscule.

Con of instanced housing - You isolate yourself from everyone you don't know and all you have are your close friends. The avenues to make new friends close up while playing, wait for it... a freaking MMO. derpderp

I have already explained why instanced housing does not isolate you from a community. There are multiple examples of instanced housing in MMOs where the community flourishes. Why? Because resources are freed up to provide even more of a creative outlet in the form of higher item limits and greater control over customization. When you encourage creativity in your housing system, it lures in creative people, and by nature, creative people want to connect with other creatives. A community blossoms.

[Titor]

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This is a sample set I can more adeptly understand using, so I appreciate you going back through newer wards as well.
I do agree there may be some inactive, but even if we completely remove the unoccupied houses, it will not solve the greater problem, they will fill in a week or two and we will be back to where we are now, without relying on the fragile crutch of removing from current inactives.

I still firmly stand by my prior idea of evicting inactive players to their own instanced plot (The house size/layout/items will remain the same) and freeing up the visible wards to active players. If the inactive player returns they can access their instanced house as much as they want (have friends over even) and have the option to place it down in a ward if a warded plot opens. If having the ward/community feel is very important to them, they can focus on getting their house back down. But a lot of players, myself included, would be perfectly fine with and happy with an instanced house.

I do not believe that the house should be completely removed and inaccessible to them due to RL situations. The houses are a huge Gil/Time investment to both obtain and decorate it, up to 90m for the raw plot, and likely 110m+ with furnishings and the like.

No matter the amount of time someone goes inactive, I do not think that this time and effort should be completely removed from them. A housing voucher for a plot is not a solution either as that just drives up demand for plots.

[Yeldir]

Not that I'm agreeing with the method, but to be honest it does make some sence on a financhial level at the verry least.

No Subscription means that they aren't making money off of that player and that means nothing to compensate for rge resorces they're using.

I'm with Ace on this one. Everyone demonizes SE for trying to make their game more profitable by ensuring you need to pay them to use their servers? Those brigands!

I wish personal housing was instanced. That'd solve most of the problems - but it seems like SE is explicitly not moving in that direction. I don't think their game plan can solve the current shortage, unless they intend to add wards at a dramatically increased rate, relative to what we saw in ARR, once they have the means in place to ensure the homes are actually used and enjoyed by paying customers.

[ErikMynhier]

Make it fair....

Personal House Owner is now named [Deleted]..... Pop it.
Absolutely no one in the FC has logged and/or entered the home in say 90 days?..... pop it.
Personal House owner hasn't entered in 90 days....pop it.

To keep it fair if the character still exist SE should deposit the cost of the plot in their account so they dont lose their gil and can buy a new house when they get back.

[Titor]

Everyone demonizes SE for trying to make their game more profitable by ensuring you need to pay them to use their servers? Those brigands!

The system would only punish the very small number of housing owners and essentially make them slaves to their subscriptions. It is not a good system to inflict on a small minority of players alone, for a system that many other games can handle flawlessly.

[Dererk]

The system would only punish the very small number of housing owners and essentially make them slaves to their subscriptions. It is not a good system to inflict on a small minority of players alone, for a system that many other games can handle flawlessly.

Or it would be the real players who would be owning houses. The ones who play every day or 3 4 days out of the week. If they unsubscribed they have no reason to have it no matter how long and how much hard work they went threw to get it keep housing for the people who are playing.

[Naunet]

Or it would be the real players who would be owning houses. The ones who play every day or 3 4 days out of the week. If they unsubscribed they have no reason to have it no matter how long and how much hard work they went threw to get it keep housing for the people who are playing.

SE should just start taking away your gil when you unsubscribe. Minions? What good are they when you're unsubscribed? Gone. All that space your retainers (not just the additional ones, but the default ones too) and their inventory take up would be better put to use elsewhere, so yeah we'll take that as well. Maybe reset your chocobo to default color. Oh and you're not using your GC or PvP ranks anymore, so let's just wipe those out while we're at it.

[Kaiser-Ace]

It's really not the same thing Naunet.

The systems you just brought up are localized to the specific character and all data is equally alloted to ALL playera in those systems unless some one pays into the extra systems such as extra retainers for a premium on top of the sub.

In the case of housing how ever, both the avalable locations as well as the server bandwidth used to add to the housing systems are finite and there is by far no where near enough to go around. By my estimate (based on no solid data tbh, just a rough guess) there are easily more than 20 times the amount of players as plots. Even if all players were in the existing FCs on Balmung with out founding more there is still more than 10 FCs for every plot.