Feedback: Levelling EXP for secondary Jobs

[Aussiedai84]

As someone with all classes at 50, I recommend that you avoid that you avoid things the feel like a boring grind. If EVERYTHING feels like a boring grind, pick whatever feels least grindy, even if it means it will take you longer to level the class.


Did I get a job leveled quickly? No. Each job took a couple months to complete in this fashion. But I didn't feel bored or frustrated either. Roulettes every day, different dungeons and guildhests every day, no FATEs unless one was handy and I felt like it.

It's unreasonable to expect SE to provide enough quests to give exp for all twenty classes, but they have provided plenty of tools to ease the strain of leveling additional classes.

Thanks for the tips! However the fact it takes MONTHS to level a second class is exactly the problem here. Im not saying they provide enough quests to to give exp for all 20 classes but they could do daily quest hubs or something like that.

[Aussiedai84]

The challenge log is also a ton of bonus xp, even though it resets weekly.
With the armory bonus (+50% xp), it's not that bad of a grind. I felt so for my second character being accustomed to having more quests but I got over it when I got accustomed to the system.

- Do a dungeon the same level it unlocks (that's almost a level, if not a level)
- Do the daily roulette (dungeon and guildhest), that's about a level
- You can do fates and leves in between, but don't use your leves during the same level as a dungeon unlock (less efficient)

At level 32 on, dungeons unlock every 3 levels. What I said above grants at least 2 of those per day.
That means you just need to grind one extra and repeat.

I totally understand using the dungeons etc, but when you have 2 hours to play in a day if that, waiting for a dutyfind to pop for 40 mins as dps is just ridiculous! It just isn't feasible unless your a heal, tank or have 5 hours a day to play!

[Aussiedai84]

I fully agree that leveling secondary classes can be a pain. I had to level both THM and CNJ for cross class purposes, and while they don't play bad, I just don't enjoy their play style. Leveling in the late 20s and early 30s is where it starts getting really dull. I still plan on slowly working on all my classes to get them to the cap, and lancer is what I plan on being my next target, (until Heavensward releases, then it's Machinist), and I'm hoping it goes better for me. FATE and Roullete grinding is also quite tiring after a while, because even with bonuses and food buffs, it can take a long time to level if you don't have just hours to work on it.....


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I hate to break it to you, but even if leveling was more difficult, then those people still wouldn't know their jobs. If someone doesn't learn by looking at skills while they're already unlocking them through FATE grinding then they clearly don't care about actually knowing how to play the class. Even when I have used FATE leveling, I still take the time to learn how a skill works once I unlock it, while still doing more FATEs. Taking more time to level up won't change how people play, it'll just mean they have to sit there grinding for longer.....

And as for people leveling to 50 within 1-2 days, or even 1-2 weeks, then yes, that's actually even more work because if someone is willing to put that much effort into speed leveling then they are clearly putting in far more "work" than people who progress at a more normal pace. No matter how hard you make the leveling, there will always be people who put in the time and effort to reach the cap in as little time as possible. Making it harder to reach said cap wouldn't hinder those players by more than a few hours or days, (if it was made far more difficult), but it would serve to drive away the people who only get a couple of hours a night at the most to play, because they would have no incentive to play due to the majority of the game's content only being unlockable once you reach higher levels, and spending several months just trying to unlock it is beyond the patience of many players.....

This is what I mean, I agree with you Gamer3427. If you want to spend 2 days busting out levels with no sleep fine do that, however for people with less time there should be ways to get to the end content (i'm not saying hand me gear or raids etc as you should have to work hard in raids for that) with secondary classes. This is also only really a discussion about secondary classes not your first class. The first class is understandably slower and interactive with the story and lore as you go I just don't understand why secondary classes are gated behind such a grind. However, I also agree that they shouldn't be able to just level up instantly so that you at least try to learn your class as you go etc, but, I for one learn nothing when i'm bored out of my mind half falling asleep grinding away. They could introduce challenges that teach you how to use your class once you get to 50 as well to help those that are a bit slower just buttonmash. There are so many things they could implement, level grinding is just not going to teach you those things.

[Solaria_Luna]

I like levequests because of the free ventures that can be received as a reward for said questing.

[Ashkendor]

sadly fates dont seem like much of an option anymore since as of now most people are 50 and are rarely doing them... and lets face it with just one person doing the fates it takes alot longer and just sucks

Uh? I see fate parties all the time in Quarrymill, Costa del Sol, Coerthas, and North Thanalan.

Thanks for the tips! However the fact it takes MONTHS to level a second class is exactly the problem here. Im not saying they provide enough quests to to give exp for all 20 classes but they could do daily quest hubs or something like that.

It doesn't take months to level a class if you just buckle down and do it though. It only takes months if you are picky about what you do and don't feel like doing to get experience. Honestly, all of my tanks and heals have mostly been leveled in dungeons and all of my DPS have mostly been leveled on battlcraft leves and fates. The DPS queue is what it is and all of us just sort of have to accept that. It's not just this game. Any MMORPG that has a queue based system ends up with longer queue times for DPS than for tanks and heals. Most people just want to blow things up.

I totally understand using the dungeons etc, but when you have 2 hours to play in a day if that, waiting for a dutyfind to pop for 40 mins as dps is just ridiculous! It just isn't feasible unless your a heal, tank or have 5 hours a day to play!

If you only have 2 hours a day to play, try to find a tank or healer friend to speed up your queue.

[UBERHAXED]

As someone who has all jobs at 50, the leveling system was indeed slow... in 2.0. After that, it was way too fast. I had maybe 2 jobs to 50 per month after roulette, challenges, dailies, etc. got released. FATES? I did practically none (post 2.1 release) because they were the slowest way to level. What I want to know is that 1-50 is supposed to be the tutorial to teach you how to play the class; how can people really expect to learn the class in 2 weeks? They need to slow leveling down to avoid all of the people at level 50 (like right now...) who don't know what fire III or thunder is, and who will swear that spamming just rage of halone (no combo) in sword oath is how to tank and don't know what flash is. In case you are wondering how you do a class to 50 in 2 weeks it's like this:

1-10:
Do hunting log, if a FATE spawns on top of the mark, then feel free to do it, you can pretty much solo anything below 10.

10-20:
Do the two guild heists at 10
Begin hunting log until stuff becomes too hard to kill, If a FATE spawns on the target, then do it if it get's in the way
If you still aren't 15, do like 1 leve...
Do the two heists at 15
Do dungeons (all 3 of them, you should get a level for each)
Finish hunting log
If you still aren't at 20, do a leve

20-30:
Begin log
Do the two heists at 20
Do Halatali until 23
Do leves until totorak unlocked
Do Totorack
Do 2 heists at 25
Finish log
Do Totorack until 27 (probably won't have to even do this step because the log)
Do leves until 28
Do Manor twice
Do leves until 30 (should be at most 2)
Do job quest
Do 2 heists at 30
Begin log (should be close to 32 at this point)
Finish up lvl 31 with leves (should need about 2)
At this point, it becomes easy since dungeons unlock every 3 levels now
Do Brayflox twice
Finish up log
Should be close to 35 at this point, finish 34 with leves
Do job quest
Do 2 heists at 35
Do Qarn twice
Should be close to 38, finish up 37 with leves
Do Cutters Cry twice
Should be close to 40, finish up 39 with leves

40-50:
Do job quest
Do two heists at 40
Begin log
Should be 41 at this point, Do vigil twice
Do dailes in range
Should be close to 44 at this point, finish up level 43 with leves
Do Darkhold once
Finish log
Do job quest
Do Darkhold a second time
Do dailies in range
Should be close to 47 at this point, finish up level 46 with leves
Do AV twice
Do Dailies in range
Should be 49 at this point, do leves until 50

Obvious things not mentioned:
Do roulettes when you log in
Do only GC leves on the highest difficulty for your level, they are significantly faster than doing the regular leves and some can be done in 30 seconds. Avoid the one with the time limit of 5 minutes since you can't complete it faster than 5 minutes
Rest bonus...

What this does:
1. Avoid FATE grinding (the factory producing bad players),
2. You do every dungeon twice, so you should know the mechanics (except the beginning 3, but you should already know the mechanics since you did it for the story)
3. You know how to use every skill in both solo and party setting at every level range
4. With the addition of the challenge log, you can basically skip doing a bunch of dungeons a second time or having to use more than 2 leves per section
5. The GC leves still give seals just like FATES

Possible issues:
1. DPS job queue, but this shouldn't matter since you should be doing the hunting log while waiting in addition to the leves
2. You can't scrape by with bad gear, but this shouldn't even be a complaint

[Gardes]

Hunting logs
Challenge logs
Low level roulette
Guild hests
Levequests
Fates
Late level dungeon spam
+50% exp bonus towards non quest exp rewards

The game has added plenty of variety and has provided xp bonus system. It took me 3 weeks of casual play to get to lvl 50 ninja and it took an fc member of mine 1 week to get to 50 nin from rogue lvl 1 (he had a lvl 50 monk when he stopped at 2.2). This is crazy fast for an MMO imo. It shouldnt get any faster...it'll just add to the "i got this far but i still don't know what i'm doing" problem even more.

[Tigra]

to everyone saying they see fate parties all the time. you are on extremely populated servers... iv only seen 1 fate group and it was the 40+ zone otherwise iv yet to see many of them on low pop servers

[GenJoe]

However the fact it takes MONTHS to level a second class is exactly the problem here. . . could do daily quest hubs or something like that.

You do get 6 leves a day, how's that any different than daily quests? Most games don't have more than a few daily quests either..
Besides, what's the rush? You say that like you should be able to level a class 1-50 in a week.. Some people CAN do this, most cannot due to time constraints and/or resources within the game.

With a 2 hour limit a day, you should be able to do the following.

- low level roulette
- 6 leve quests
- Guildhest roulette

Then grind FATEs for an hour or so, or just run another dungeon.

Point is, in 2 hours of game time, there doesn't have to be so much grind, if you actually played more, THEN it becomes more of a grindfest because you run out of things to do other than dungeons/FATEs.

You say it like people who grind to 1-50 over a weekend has it easy..
Have you tried running dungeons for 10 hours straight? It's not that easy

to everyone saying they see fate parties all the time. you are on extremely populated servers... iv only seen 1 fate group and it was the 40+ zone otherwise iv yet to see many of them on low pop servers

You're on one of the most populated ones
Jenova's not that populous, but we still have a couple FATE groups almost 24/7 in Coerthas and N.Thanalan. Quarrymill and Costa Del Sol are a hit or miss

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They should add +50% Bonus experience for every 50 (or 60) bonus character on your account.

Its not like you can skip dungeons, story anyways.